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Offline TrashMan

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Again..it's irrelvenat.

I specificly said I didn't mean a country run by religios fanatics or run by blindly sticking to the Holy book...

And you two cpnstantly bring up exactly the opposite.
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Offline Blaise Russel

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I keep getting the same reaction whenever I advocate anarchism. I say and I say and I say again and again that we don't need police, all we need is for everyone to mind their own business and regulate themselves, but people keep laughing in my face.

I mean, come on! How are crime, invasion and civil war inevitable consequences of having no government or police or military?

 

Offline aldo_14

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Again..it's irrelvenat.

I specificly said I didn't mean a country run by religios fanatics or run by blindly sticking to the Holy book...
 


What, you mean like a secular country?  If you remove the discriminatory bits of religion, that's what you get; the 'essential' laws for society (like not stealing, killing, etc) aren't defined by religion but by societal or instinctive behavioural necessity, after all.... that's why they got written into holy books, to help enforce them.

I mean....say you remove the bits of religion that discriminate;
- you'd have to remove any restriction on religion of leader, for one thing.  And it'd need to be democratic and thus representative.
- you'd also need to remove any bias or preferential treatment of a particular religion for sake of fairness.
- and it'd be unfair to discriminate against social groups on the basis of religion, too.
- couldn't have religious laws, except where the societal common good overlaps with religious edict.  Otherwise you'd be forcing belief constraints onto people.
- not have any form of enforcement of religion; forcing people to go to church would be out if you wanted freedom of belief
- in fact, interpreting the Holy Book would be kind of out of the question too, because it leaves too much room for personal bias.  Plus if you're not discriminating against religion of leaders/officials, you wouldn't be guaranteed a fair interpretation by those people.

I wouldn't say that sort of society could be defined as religious-led; in fact, I can't think of a single way in which a society could be run by religion without being unfair to someone.  Can you define what a (for example) 'Christian' country would do different to, say, France or the UK?

Maybe before we had immigration and literacy, when populations were homogenous in belief and race, you could have a viable religious state that wasn't actively discriminating against it's inhabitants; but not now, when the democratic world is a melting pot by nature.

 

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Washington state vows to "nuke" the mother****er successionists. Once I'm govenor.

We have nuclear weapons you know... but against the successionists we shall deploy our ultimate weapon: the computer virus known as Windows Vista.


might be more effective if they'd nuke the seccessionists ;)
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Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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Originally posted by Blaise Russel
I mean, come on! How are crime, invasion and civil war inevitable consequences of having no government or police or military?


if you think for five minutes you'll know...

anarchy will result in the formation of some form of government: wether it's mob rule, warlords (like afghanistan or Somalia) or something else.

Anarchy simply does not work if you want to maintain any form of society (i.e. people living in a group of any size) as living together needs agreements and rules.
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Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80


might be more effective if they'd nuke the seccessionists ;)


Damn it, he caught me :p

But it's because they're such successful folks because Jesus loves them!

Ivan, Blaise was being sarcastic ;)
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Originally posted by Blaise Russel
I keep getting the same reaction whenever I advocate anarchism. I say and I say and I say again and again that we don't need police, all we need is for everyone to mind their own business and regulate themselves, but people keep laughing in my face.

I mean, come on! How are crime, invasion and civil war inevitable consequences of having no government or police or military?



The reason why is because human nature is self-destructive.
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Offline WMCoolmon

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Actually human nature is "stuff for me, my family, and my friends."

It's when you try to take that stuff from other people's friends (or to the disadvantage of them) that you getconflicts + war.
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Originally posted by TrashMan
Again..it's irrelvenat.

I specificly said I didn't mean a country run by religios fanatics or run by blindly sticking to the Holy book...

And you two cpnstantly bring up exactly the opposite.

No, it's not irrelevant; you're advocating a religious state that does not submit to fanaticism and idiocy, and we're arguing that this is not possible.
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I wonder if anyone's spoken to the non and/or moderate Christians in South Carolina about this...
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Offline Kosh

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There are "non and/or moderate christians" in South Carolina? :D
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Offline Blaise Russel

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Ivan, Blaise was being sarcastic ;)


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Fanaticism is an unfortunate consequence of any religion, ideology or philosophy. Well, really, it's a consequence of people, but that's a given.

 

Offline aldo_14

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There are "non and/or moderate christians" in South Carolina? :D


I think they ate most of them, but I guess a few are kept in fridges or chained up in shacks somewhere.

 

Offline TrashMan

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No, it's not irrelevant; you're advocating a religious state that does not submit to fanaticism and idiocy, and we're arguing that this is not possible.


You might be right you know.. I see fanaticms and idioticy everywhere withot any religion being involved at all :D
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Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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Ivan, Blaise was being sarcastic ;)


Well, I've seen too many people seriously advocating anarchism so I really can't say anymore :p
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We should just give everyone nukes. That'd solve the nuclear-disarmanment thing (The USGov would no longer have any, although all its citizens would). And everyone would be a whole lot more civil to each other. :D
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I wonder if anyone's spoken to the non and/or moderate Christians in South Carolina about this...


All two of them?

In all seriousness, if there were to be one place in the US that this could possibly happen, it would be South Carolina.  Other than the fact that a disproportional number of our military are stationed nearby, it'd be the perfect place to start (another) civil war :doubt:

What I found hilarious was the 1000 people swinging the vote to gain 12 house seats.  Do they think the state is empty or something?
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