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Offline Deepblue

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   Air America is struggling to find listeners, leaders and reliable funding. But should it take money from children and the ailing elderly? Al Franken and Randi Rhodes, ever the defenders of the "little guy," should explain this one.


http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20050728-081354-1414r.htm

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Offline Kosh

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It was doomed before it even started. Too many people are not interested in the truth, only the lies of the neo-cons.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Fenrir

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Yup. After all, truth is determined entirely by the station it is broadcast from.

 

Offline Deepblue

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Denial is not a pretty state.

 

Offline aldo_14

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There's a lot of 'coulds' and 'maybes' in that story... presumably why it's in an editorial section.  It seems to me to be trying to use some 3rd parties dodgy dealings to attack another person; if you read it, it never connects -or tries to - Al Franken (he's the one that Fox tried to sue, isn't he?  For use of 'fair and balanced') for example, to any actual knowledge of or involvement in the alleged dodginess, yet decides to blame him instead.  

Presumably for sake of a visible target; I note the 2 people praised for noting the story in the article are themselves noted right-wing/conservative peeps with a vested interest in it.  There's also an implication that the source of the money - if it was a source of money at all, which is still an allegation from anonymous sources -  didn't have a say in this (when it could have even been an instigator for all the information given).

And of course it's just a general partisan opinion piece to 'attack the other side' as seen so often (on both sides, may I add).  There's no actual provative facts in it, just allegations yet-to-be substantiated.  I'd imagine under libel laws, an actual news article would need to have had more factual contents and an adequate representation of dissenting opinion.

 

Offline Deepblue

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While much of this is just speculation, there are facts backing it up, such as the simple fact that an investigation is being launched into Air America's financial connections to this urban Boys & Girls club. I'd imagine that people on the left would not like this to ever reach the mainstream media. The people on the right would celebrate and howl if it did.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Deepblue
While much of this is just speculation, there are facts backing it up, such as the simple fact that an investigation is being launched into Air America's financial connections to this urban Boys & Girls club. I'd imagine that people on the left would not like this to ever reach the mainstream media. The people on the right would celebrate and howl if it did.


An investigation being launched simply amounts to an allegation being made.  There's a good reason this is in an op-ed rather than news story; and it's not because Americn media is being secretly run by a liberal commie cabal, regardless of some peoples tinfoilhattery.

 

Offline redmenace

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I am simply amazed at their arrogance. They think that they can easily break into the a media format mostly used by conservatives is nuts. I honostly think they had some sort of grandious vision that they would gain wild popularity.

@Kosh, Don't be so quick to assume that Air America has made 0 management and business mistakes. They are fighting an uphill battle in business they no VERY little about. As for the truth, its all in the eye of the beholder.
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Offline aldo_14

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Please tell me your not suggesting radio stations of a particular political affiliation should have no expectation of success?  Technically, if only one viewpoint of a polarised nation is being aired on a medium, there's going to be a market for the opposite/contrasting viewpoint/s.  Air America probably just did a **** job of meeting it; that's not arrogance but incompetence.

 

Offline Kosh

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Kosh, Don't be so quick to assume that Air America has made 0 management and business mistakes.


I never said that, and I never assumed that. You assumed that I assumed that.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline redmenace

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Originally posted by aldo_14
Please tell me your not suggesting radio stations of a particular political affiliation should have no expectation of success?  Technically, if only one viewpoint of a polarised nation is being aired on a medium, there's going to be a market for the opposite/contrasting viewpoint/s.  Air America probably just did a **** job of meeting it; that's not arrogance but incompetence.
Well Incompetence and Arogance often go hand in hand. And often I see arogance reaming, and often unbridaled anger, from the left in this country.

@Kosh, don't give impressions that american's desire for lies is the reason only reason it failed.
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Offline Ace

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I see just as much, if not more self-righteous anger, from the self-appointed "conservatives."
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Offline Kosh

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@Kosh, don't give impressions that american's desire for lies is the reason only reason it failed.


That was not intentional. But you are implying that america does desire lies.

Something that you do seem to be forgetting is that any non-conservative viewpoint is considered unpatriotic and/or treason.

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It is unpatriotic to criticize the president


Does that sound familiar?

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I see just as much, if not more self-righteous anger, from the self-appointed "conservatives."


I see the same thing.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline aldo_14

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[q]It is unpatriotic to criticize the president[/q]

People don't actually believe that, do they?

 

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Oddly enough I can't find a single American who found it unpatriotic to criticize Clinton.

Funny that.
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Offline Kosh

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Originally posted by aldo_14
[q]It is unpatriotic to criticize the president[/q]

People don't actually believe that, do they?



Many neo-cons do.


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Oddly enough I can't find a single American who found it unpatriotic to criticize Clinton.

Funny that.


But Clinton was an evil heretic who must be burned. ;) He had an affair. That is a lot worse than invading a sovereign nation and causing the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people. :D
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline redmenace

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Originally posted by Kosh


That was not intentional. But you are implying that america does desire lies.
That was actually poorly stated. But like I said the truth is in the eye of the beholder.

As per conservatives angst, well I think it is related to the total viscious cycle from past 5 years. The democrats actions as of late, regaurding the Supreme Court nomination are unfair in light of what has happened in the past(demanding tax returns and attorney working papers? come on). As a reaction every moron talking head is ratcheting up the rhetoric and whipping everyone into a frenzy. Worst part is, next time democrats take back the whitehouse, the republicans will be even worse, and then the democrats will do something even more heanous.
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Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Kosh

Many neo-cons do.


Sorry, I should have said normal people.  Not the various nutters who spout ****e, but yer bog standard average voter.

 

Offline Deepblue

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Neo-con this, neo con that. You (Kosh & company) are just as bad as the people you point your fingers at.

 

Offline Kosh

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Originally posted by Deepblue
Neo-con this, neo con that. You (Kosh & company) are just as bad as the people you point your fingers at.



Why? Just because I am too lazy to type "neo-conservative"? That's what they call themselves. I sure as heck didn't decide on that name. :p
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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