[aldo_14]

How many USN captains would disobey a direct order to allow interrogation onboard?

EDIT; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4632087.stm

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by karajorma


Not all the terrorists were arabs. In fact half of those involved in the London bombings were black. You want to start profiling all black people as terrorists and claim that isn't racist?

Not to mention that the strongest kind of fundementalist is the convert. And they can be any colour.

To assume that terrorists are all arabs is idiotic AND racist.

Allright, MOST terrorists attacking the US are of Arab origin. And as far as I recall nearly all were muslim.

If 905 of potential terrorists come from a specific race/religion then it stands to reasn that by focusing most of your search on that specific group you will have higher chanced of finding them then if you focus equalyl on all.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by TrashMan


Allright, MOST terrorists attacking the US are of Arab origin. And as far as I recall nearly all were muslim.

If 905 of potential terrorists come from a specific race/religion then it stands to reasn that by focusing most of your search on that specific group you will have higher chanced of finding them then if you focus equalyl on all.

And the London bombers were clean on the intelligence services radar, even including the one who had been previously examined by MI5.  So even if you focus on, say, Muslims (as MI5 would have been in examining this guy), it doesn't mean you'll find a terrorist if one exists.  The known bombers were not known radicals, some had families, one was a special needs teacher IIRC.  Even given their ethnicity (in the case of those of Arab descent), there is no demographic differenc between them and Joe Ordinary.

More likely you'll blind yourself to alternatives.  I mean, how the hell are you defining 'potential terrorists' if not by racial/religious stereotyping?  Anyone is a potential terrorist; is this a 'war on terror' or a 'war on Muslims'?  Because there's a strong implication that comes from how you handle it.

How would it work, anyways, to stop Mr X (assuming he is Arab, which is a big assumption in itself) planting a car bomb?  Would you subject every Arab (origin) person to surveillance to see if they bought a car or fertiliser?  Would the purchases of arab-sounding names be singled out for collection by the FBI?

[TrashMan]

MOST terrorists attacking the US

you have to narrow or focus the search by SOME criteria in order to increase your chances of finding the wanted person

[Taristin]

No... Most terrorists attacking the US are white, and from america.

[Kazan]

Racial profiling is the dumbest **** ever.  It takes the focus off serious indicators and onto superficialism and racism.

The most reliable [accuracy and effectiveness/manpower] method is behavioral profiling.  I think sandwich should know a thing or two about this since the Israelies have been using this method for over 30 years with ZERO incidents of airplane hijacking.

Busses are just ****ing impossible to secure.

[Kazan]

Originally posted by TrashMan
Allright, MOST terrorists attacking the US are of Arab origin.

"Goodfact"

Originally posted by Raa
No... Most terrorists attacking the US are white, and from america.

"Realfact"

[karajorma]

Originally posted by TrashMan
Allright, MOST terrorists attacking the US are of Arab origin. And as far as I recall nearly all were muslim.

And if you start racially profiling arabs the terrorists will simply use black muslims and sneak by without detection.

If you start racially profiling blacks and arabs then they'll simply use
white converts and sneak by without detection.


Racial profiling is idiotic plain and simple. On top of everything else it annoys exactly the demographic you're attempting to pursuade not to bomb you.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by TrashMan
MOST terrorists attacking the US

you have to narrow or focus the search by SOME criteria in order to increase your chances of finding the wanted person

No, you don't.  You have to observe the current intelligence and evidence and draw the conclusions from that, not who the last terrorist may have been.

Again you're assuming the 'wanted' person is an Arab muslim, when we don't even know if there is a person to be 'wanted', let alone if they are an Arab muslim.

[TrashMan]

A terrorist attacking hte Us may or many not be arab or black or white.

but in 99% of cases they were muslims. I'm not talking about racial profiling, I'm talking about religious profiling.

Acutally, profling made by examining all the previous terrorists and if I recall corretnly they were shown to be men from 20-40 years, muslim. If they come from the country then they were usually from well off families or something like that.

Regardless, I don't give a damn either way. My country isn't going to get bombed anytime soon.

[Bobboau]

most of the current terrorists we are currently worried about are arab, all of the terrorists we are currently worried about are muslem (we don't particularly care about domestic political terrorists at the moment) a racal profile would probly get results untill AlQueda figured out what we were doing (likely after the first time it worked) and would then proceed to get a team from Indonesia or Somolia, wich would probly become one of there best atacks, because we wouldn't be screwteniseing them.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by TrashMan
I'm not talking about racial profiling, I'm talking about religious profiling.

Originally posted by TrashMan
Well, where would you look for terrorists if all the previos terrorist were of arab origin? Among the arab population of course. That makes sense. And if it makes sense then it isn't rasistic.  

Either you were talking about racial profiling or you're the kind of idiot who believes all muslims are arabs.

But let's be generous and assume you've been hit with the clue stick and realised that racial profiling is idiotic and now you believe in this **** you're spouting about religious profiling.

I have only one question. How the f**k do you religiously profile someone anyway? The Madrid bombers for instance included people who drunk alcohol, sold drugs and acted in a whole raft of un-muslim manners in order to stay undercover. Racial profiling idiotic as it is at least has something you can profile. It's pretty bloody simple to pretend to be a sikh or buddist or christian though.

Originally posted by Bobboau
most of the current terrorists we are currently worried about are arab

Not in Britain. And if the US is only concentrating on arabs even after the London bombings you can be certain that they'll be dealing with another bombing pretty soon.

[Bobboau]

did you even ****ing read the rest of my post after that?

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by mikhael
Entertaining. My wife has to know this stuff better than the average american to get her citizenship (we go for the interview, exam and maybe oath next week)

Erm... prolly way OT... but if you and her are moving back to Australia in a few months, why is she going for US Citizenship?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by TrashMan
A terrorist attacking hte Us may or many not be arab or black or white.

but in 99% of cases they were muslims. I'm not talking about racial profiling, I'm talking about religious profiling.

Acutally, profling made by examining all the previous terrorists and if I recall corretnly they were shown to be men from 20-40 years, muslim. If they come from the country then they were usually from well off families or something like that.

Regardless, I don't give a damn either way. My country isn't going to get bombed anytime soon.

Name those cases.  AFAIK there have been precisely 2 terrorist attacks on US soil involving arabs (9/11 and the previous WTC bombings).  AFAIK in both cases all or most were foreign nationals and thus outside the reach of domestic racial or religious profiling.

Again you've not defined how profiling would be implemented; what difference would it make?  Who would you 'profile' and how would that be supported?

Originally posted by Black Wolf


Erm... prolly way OT... but if you and her are moving back to Australia in a few months, why is she going for US Citizenship?

Maybe in case they want to move back to the US in future or something?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Bobboau
did you even ****ing read the rest of my post after that?

Yep I did. I wasn't having a go at you. In fact I was mostly agreeing with you. You said racial profiling would only stop the first attempt. I was simply saying that I doubted that it would even do that well.

If the americans are stupid enough to only be targetting arabs after knowing that two of the July 21 bombers were black then I doubt they'd even stop the next plot at all.

[Kie99]

How on earth did we start debating religious profiling from a topic about Political ignorance?

[Ulala]

I don't know, but this thread could sure use some more asterisks! **** this and **** that and **** everyone that mentions an idea or opinion that you don't agree with or find to be of lower intelligence than you're used to. **** them and **** their families instead of politely explaining the loophole or error in their thought(s), **** them because they're so ****ing idiotic and don't deserve to breathe let alone post their thoughts here on this public forum. **** Americans too since ****ing them will solve every ****ing problem we have with them.

[EtherShock]

It seems to me like every thread regarding America turns into an anti-American rant.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by EtherShock
It seems to me like every thread regarding America turns into an anti-American rant.

No. Every thread regarding America turns into a over patriotic defence of America's flaws by people too blind to see that it has any and who then complain about anti-americanism the second anyone attempts to correct their blinkered thinking.

You'll notice that any time someone complains about the flaws in Britains government almost all the Brits agree that there is a problem. That's why you don't here complaints about anti-United Kingdomism even though the UK is pretty much just as guilty of civil rights abuses and idiotic foreign policy.

Seriously EtherShock what on this thread was anti-american? Most of the comments about America's flaws were from Americans! Is it anti-American now to complain about your own countries policies? Have you let your nation sink so low as to claim that any refusal to toe the party line in unpatriotic?