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Offline Kosh

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Interesting.


Doesn't anyone else think it is really sad that the richest country in the world has almost 1/4 of it's population in poverty?
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Offline aldo_14

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I think it's sad anyone lives in poverty.

 

Offline Kosh

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Yeah, but it is MORE sad when you have a government and a culture who do not care about people who are less fortunate then they are.

The number of poor people is growing, not shrinking. The number of middle class people in this country is shrinking. Not a good trend.
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Offline Deepblue

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But the Natural Selection must go on!

 

Offline Ford Prefect

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A large portion of the middle class really isn't doing much to help itself, though; the amount of stuff being bought on credit is going through the roof. I see it all around me, especially with automobiles and houses. People are buying things they just can't afford, which is exactly what was happening in the 1920s.
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Offline Kosh

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But the Natural Selection must go on!



Let's see you live in poverty with no way out and see what it does for your disposition.
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Offline Deepblue

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You know, there is a way out. It's called hard work. Sure it may suck, but it gets the job done.

 

Offline Ford Prefect

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You know, there is a way out. It's called hard work. Sure it may suck, but it gets the job done.

Uh-oh...


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Offline Kosh

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You know, there is a way out. It's called hard work. Sure it may suck, but it gets the job done.



No, there isn't. Many people who live in poverty work a lot more than you probably do. People in poverty sometimes work two jobs. Do you do this? I doubt it.

Like I said, lets see you live this way and see what it does for your disposition. Perhaps then this BS I keep hearing from you will disappear.
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Offline aldo_14

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You know, there is a way out. It's called hard work. Sure it may suck, but it gets the job done.


Is this speaking from personal experience or a broad sweeping generalization that makes you feel better about the crippling unfairness of the modern world?

 

Offline Deepblue

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Personal experience has it that it's pretty easy to get A paying job. Not necessarilly a fun job, but a job none-the-less.

 

Offline Deepblue

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No, there isn't. Many people who live in poverty work a lot more than you probably do. People in poverty sometimes work two jobs. Do you do this? I doubt it.

Like I said, lets see you live this way and see what it does for your disposition. Perhaps then this BS I keep hearing from you will disappear.


You know what one of the biggest reasons for this is? It's addiction. Addiction to smoking, to drinking, or to drugs.

People need to take personal responsibility for themselves and take action instead of whining about how unfair the world is. That's just life, and life is tough.

And yes, I currently have two jobs.

 

Offline Ford Prefect

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I agree. Those 70 million people living in poverty all need to stop being lazy and turn their lives around.
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Offline Deepblue

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crippling unfairness of the modern world?


Wait, wait, wait... Modern world? In the modern world people have so many more oppurtunities than any generation before, yet people have also abandoned a sense of responsibility and work ethic. The world is not nearly as unfair as it used to be.

 

Offline Deepblue

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I agree. Those 70 million people living in poverty all need to stop being lazy and turn their lives around.


Not stop being lazy, they need to take responsibility for their lives and get motivated to take control.

Is there a recurring theme here or what?

 

Offline Ford Prefect

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Whatever you want to call it. Like I said, if that quarter of the nation would just work hard, we'd have virtually no poverty.
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Offline vyper

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Not stop being lazy, they need to take responsibility for their lives and get motivated to take control.

Is there a recurring theme here or what?


See Poor People -> Blame the poor for own suffering -> Insert head into anus -> See less poor people -> Remove head and see poor people again.

Repeat as required.
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Offline aldo_14

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You know what one of the biggest reasons for this is? It's addiction. Addiction to smoking, to drinking, or to drugs.


Do you have any actual evidence for this?  Any proof of causality or correlation?  And proof that - even if there is some link - that said addiction is the cause of poverty and not in fact caused by the effects of poverty?

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People need to take personal responsibility for themselves and take action instead of whining about how unfair the world is. That's just life, and life is tough.

And yes, I currently have two jobs.


It appears your approach is that everyone who doesn't have a job, doesn't want one. That people only become poor because they deserve to. That's complete and utter bollocks, and it's a sham of an excuse chosen simply to avoid addressing the social issues behind it, and possibly realising there are some hard questions to answer beyond blaming the poor for being poor.

And yes, the modern world is still unfair.  Anything with that sort of rich-poor divide has some sort of inherent flaw - if the worlds richest nation has such a large percentage of people living in basic poverty, surely it raises issues about that countries fairness in terms of, say, access to education and employment opportunities?

The US has one of - if not the - life expectancy and child death rates rates of any modern western country.  In 2002, 34.6m Americans were officially living below the poverty line, 31m deemed to be 'food insecure' (did not know where there next meal would come from).  In 25 major cities the need for emergency food relief rose 19%; there are more now living in poverty than in 1965. Between 12 and 13.6 million are unemployed, underemployed in part time jobs out of financial necessity or have simply given up looking for work (the US government massages the figure by ommitting the latter 2, which most european countries count in calculating their unemployment figures).

More than 20 states lost over 20% of manufacturing jobs in the 98-03 period.  Only 3 saw growth (none remained static; the rest all lost jobs).  I don't need to mention that the manufacturing sector is a key employer of 'less skilled', i.e. less educated and usually lower class, workers.  

And you think it's just down to individual laziness?

  

Offline Deepblue

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Yeah, pretty much. Humanity in general is a pretty lazy bunch except for the few who advance and move the world. If everyone in the world dedicated themselves completely to the common cause the world would be much more productive.

 
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You know, there is a way out. It's called hard work. Sure it may suck, but it gets the job done.

Hard work doesn't come easy you know. I tried to make it on my own. I did this to go to a better school, have a better life. I was set to stay with a friend, and start anew. Well, my friend screwed me over and backed out last minute. This was already after I flew to the other side of the country. I'm lucky I knew someone else, and he let me sleep on his floor in his dorm, while every day, I was out looking for a job and a place to stay. Unfortunately, no one was hiring, figures in a college town. I did find places to stay that would be affordable though. I ate two meals a day at Subway. I trudged mile upon mile. I walked so many that my shoes almost wore all the way through. I had a change of plans after about a month concerning my education and returned home. I was lucky I had such the option. Not everyone has options. Sometimes people are backed against a wall. They not only only have physical barriers, but mental ones as well. It's not easy to keep a bright outlook when things look so dreary.

My outlook changed while I was on the edge of poverty. I can see how so many people wind up poor or even homeless. It only takes one, unforseen event beyond their control to flush everything down the toilet. It is very hard to get on your feet without a little help here in the US.

And we as a world have the ability to end all poverty, yet we don't. Technically, money = power. Therefore, I think the rich feel if there were no poverty, they would have no power. Then what point is there to life for them?