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Offline Kosh

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on: August 19, 2005, 12:01:46 am
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/broadband.html


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The United States remains 16th in the world in broadband penetration per capita. The United States also ranks 16th in terms of broadband growth rates, suggesting our world ranking won't improve any time soon. On a per megabit basis, U.S. consumers pay 10 to 25 times more than broadband users in Japan.


That was just one piece of it, but that is sad. Isn't this supposed to be the richest country in the world?


I had a friend from South Korea who was always complaining that the T3 connection at our university was "slow". I would say there is definately truth to that report.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Ford Prefect

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Reply #1 on: August 19, 2005, 12:07:08 am
Teh US iz teh nubz0r.
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Offline Liberator

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Reply #2 on: August 19, 2005, 12:08:29 am
You realize that most of the telecom/data infrastructure in this country dates from the late 40's and early 50's right?
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Reply #3 on: August 19, 2005, 12:10:10 am
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You realize that most of the telecom/data infrastructure in this country dates from the late 40's and early 50's right?


Isn't that just supporting the article's point? :p
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Offline Kosh

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Reply #4 on: August 19, 2005, 12:19:03 am
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You realize that most of the telecom/data infrastructure in this country dates from the late 40's and early 50's right?



That's even more embarasing.


Comcast has a total monopoly where I live. Cable internet costs well over $40 per month.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Ashrak

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Reply #5 on: August 19, 2005, 12:29:07 am
Tallinn is gonna have free wireless access all over the city soon :p
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Reply #6 on: August 19, 2005, 12:38:19 am
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Comcast has a total monopoly where I live. Cable internet costs well over $40 per month.


Same here. The terrible thing is that they always state that "well it's your modem" when there is an outage.

A day or so later, then they admit to actually having a problem. A few days later they might actually fix it.

Of course you have to have internet access to find out info on their outages...
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Offline redmenace

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Reply #7 on: August 19, 2005, 12:58:56 am
well from what I understand is that there is a move to make everything digital using Optical Cable. This includes telephone, TV, and Internet access. Atleast that is what the FCC is promoting.
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Offline Kosh

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Reply #8 on: August 19, 2005, 01:02:50 am
The Fiber Optics movement has been going on for years.


But don't trust what the FCC says. It is obviously untrustworthy.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Ford Prefect

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Reply #9 on: August 19, 2005, 01:06:14 am
Do not speak derisively of the Fascist Communications Commission. They will sew your lips shut and monitor your brain activity for any thoughts of sex, violence, drug use, or profanity.
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Offline EtherShock

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Reply #10 on: August 19, 2005, 01:19:14 am
We can thank this to the oligopolies that are the cable and phone companies sleeping with the FCC, and the FCC just being a bunch of pricks. Open access was the only hope for the little guy. The US doesn't want everyone online. The government likes the digital divide. Otherwise people might learn something, spark independent thought. Then what would happen?

I am a bit suspicious when towns try to set up their own networks though. Something just doesn't sound right when your local government wants to set up a wifi network for everyone out of the goodness of their heart. What's their real motive? Media has always been ruled by the few and it must end, and the internet is vital to the rebellion.
 

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Reply #11 on: August 19, 2005, 02:50:29 am
they give the fcc way too much power. we also tend to allocate all the usefull frequencys to military applications, giving us access to the worst ones. and then theres the overacceptance of dial-up. excessive cell phone propagation probibly allso has something to do with it. then you get bogged down by meaningless traffic, spam and whatnot. then you have communications monopolies. how much controll does he fcc have over wired communication? i dont know. but the major thing wrong with us' communications if the fact that the usa is oversaturated with bull****.
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Offline Kosh

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Reply #12 on: August 19, 2005, 04:20:23 am
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and then theres the overacceptance of dial-up.


Some of us can't afford the inflated broadband prices.


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excessive cell phone propagation probibly allso has something to do with it


Actually, the US is behind the developed world in that area too. Cell phones are also catching on in developing countries like China too.


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but the major thing wrong with us' communications if the fact that the usa is oversaturated with bull****.


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"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Liberator

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Reply #13 on: August 19, 2005, 08:35:01 am
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Some of us can't afford the inflated broadband prices.


If you pay $20 or $25 per month for Dial Up, #1 you are a nutcase, #2 most cable companies(I have Charter) have a plan that lowers the overall cost for both if you have TV and Broadband.  For instance, I pay $55 for Broadband and Basic Cable.
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Reply #14 on: August 19, 2005, 08:49:15 am
I pay ~$20 for 10mbit, + ~$10 for phone. landlord pays basic cable for me.

well, I did. I'm moving. so I won't pay anything for it now, cuz I won't have it.
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Offline Nuke

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Reply #15 on: August 19, 2005, 09:42:50 am
i think we pay $170 for phone/digital cable with all movie chanels/and really slow broadband (<1megabit)
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Offline CP5670

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Reply #16 on: August 19, 2005, 09:54:49 am
It costs me about $65/month together for 6m/768k cable internet and cable TV service. I'm not quite happy with Comcast though, since momentary outages have become far too common during the last few months.
 

Offline MicroPsycho

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Reply #17 on: August 19, 2005, 09:59:10 am
the then there are some unlucky people (like me) who can't get DSL or cable broadband because Bell and Rogers are lazy f*cks!
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Offline Nuke

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Reply #18 on: August 19, 2005, 10:45:38 am
our system is hellishly outdatedthey upgraded to newer cable modems, the old ones were rather large and clunky. but i dont think new cable modems will improve their system any. they need to start laying fiber.
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Offline EtherShock

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Reply #19 on: August 19, 2005, 12:29:45 pm
Upgrading to fiber optic lines is a start, but it won't make the companies charge less, for that you need competition.

I don't see how anyone can access the net today on dialup, what with all the pop-ups, flash ads, graphically intensive websites. You'd be lucky to even get to your email, and that's just about the only thing you can do with a 56K connection. Basically, companies don't care. They're not worth going after anymore. It's social Darwinism: pay for broadband or lag behind. (No pun intended.) That's not right or fair to the less fortunate. Everyone should have broadband by now.

What's that, go to the library? Who the **** is going to go to the library just to use the ****ing internet? That excuse is completely asinine for the digital divide. That kind of ruins the convenience of the internet if I have to go to the public library to use it and run on their time.
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