[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
The thing that made me discredit this entire site in about 30 seconds was when it said "...before the mind control machine went into effect..."
That's just retarded.
However, it does make some interesting arguments, and questions that should be answered. Can anyone point me to a link about the whole missing aircraft parts thing?

About the WTC towers: I watched a History Channel special on the Twin Towers (I'm not saying that makes me an expert, just listen), and they said that in the event of a catostrophic structural failure, then the buliding was designed to hold up for at least two hours before collapse. Guess how long it held up for?
Then you make the argument that there were charges at the bottom of the buildings. Why would that be there? Do they plant explosive charges at the bottom of all buildings nowadays? I don't recall hearing that the Empire State Building, Sears Tower, etc has them.

Well, the 'theory' goes that the US government 'hijacked' their own planes, either spiriting away the pilots and occupants or just killing them.  Alternative theory is that they allowed the planes to be hijacked (even though such a plan would surely require the previous politically diametric administation to co-operate).

They then flew these planes into the Twin Towers, waiting for a few hours or so before demolishing the 2 towers  (presumably using explosives placed at the exact location of the impacts using the power of precoginition).

They also fired a cruise missile into the Pentagon for..er..the hell of it, too.  And pretended it was a plane (and presumably paid/bribed/brainwashed all the witnesses - oh, and placed fake wreckage from a plane around the place.  And bribed/etc the photographers that took pictures of said wreckage).

The 4th plane, er, I'm not sure what that was for.

The purpose of all this was to create a 'new Pearl Harbour' to build support for American imperialism, as defined in the document thing from the PNAC which I can't place the name of yet.

Admittedly, the latter bit almost makes it seem plausible.  Almost.

[Mefustae]

Whether or not the US Govt. had a hand in 9/11 - which even I can admit is pretty stupid - you have to admit that the current US Administration is hiding WAY too much for its own good, 'Classifying' (as in, making documents Classified) more material than any previous administration. Ever. My point is, the current Administration just has too many damn secrets and everyone knows it...

[Jal-18]

Or maybe the other administrations were better at covering up their secrets?

[Rictor]

My view, and it's not for everyone, is that looking for proof of a conspiracy is stupid. If you believe that the conpirators are halfway competent individuals, as they should be, then there will be no proof. If they were doing mind control **** back in the 60s, am I to believe that "they" would be incapable of pulling off a simple hijacking in this day and age?

Of course, there are problems with this mindset. First of all, you very quickly end up questioning everything, including the existance of reality itself, if you pursue the line of thought. Also, people have been proven to be much less competent than they are made out to be in the imaginations of writers and directors, though this could itself be a conspiracy, where certain events have been intentionally revealed to give people a false impression of incompetence on the part of the government. I'd do that if I were in "their" position.

I usually just split the difference and give everyone a little credit. So my positions is that while the US probably didn't orchestrate 9/11, they may have known about it and let it happen. I have no proof either way, but going down the middle is a nice safe bet.

[Sandwich]

What Is The Matrix?

[Omniscaper]

Originally posted by Rictor
Also, people have been proven to be much less competent than they are made out to be in the imaginations of writers and directors,

Perhaps we Yanks should get Tom Clancy to come up with a plan that will protect the US from terrorism and its own elected politicians.

Or perhaps resurrect Tolkien so he can re-engineer us a new culture.

[Descenterace]

Originally posted by Sandwich
What Is The Matrix?

'Nuff said.

[Grug]

The majority of the American people are brainwashed.

What does this matter?

Meh.

[EtherShock]

The closest thing we have to mind control is the media, and not everyone falls for it, although most do, and it can't be blamed for everything. It's not the kind of mind control referred to in the flash, which makes it hard to take seriously at all. It's not like it can't be stopped, all people have to do to start is turn off the ****ing TV.

Now if the government did let this happen, the question is why would they let such an atrocity take place? And you know what, we won't know, just like our parents will never know what really happened with JFK. We can speculate all we want, but by the time information is declassified, we'll all be dead and no one will care.

[Omniscaper]

Originally posted by Grug
The majority of the American people are brainwashed.

What does this matter?

Meh.

Now was that really necessary? I swear, the subtle and BLATENT anti-american sentiments in these generalizing statements astound me.

[DaBrain]

Actually it's pretty hard to understand why so many people voted for G.W. Bush from a european point of view.

Maybe that's one example for those so-called "anti american" postings.

I don't want to post too much about this politic things, cause I only hear the most 'noticable' news from the USA, but I can understand where this anti-amercian feelings come from.

The USA doesn't accept the International Curt of Justic, they have attacked the Irak*, even though the UN resolutions didn't really allow this action. It looks like teh USA doesn't care for the rest of the world. (This is the most severe problem!)

All this gives the USA an agressive and unpredictable face.

Of couse it's wrong to think all people there are agressive and selfish, but in the end the whole nation is responible for the action of their administration, because they selected the administration.

I can only speak for myself when I say: I will not blame the people of a whole nation for anything. Especially not in an indirect democracy.


But look at this board. People from all over the world communitcate with each other. Some of them even work together in teams on their projects.
Color of the skin, gender, nationality, or politcal interests are not important.
When I see the problems in the world, sometimes I think "Why can they be like us?".

I love the contact to people from other nations.

Edit: * I don't want to say the Irak war was wrong (or right), but acting without the authorisation of the UN council is wrong.

[Janos]

Originally posted by Omniscaper


Perhaps we Yanks should get Tom Clancy to come up with a plan that will protect the US from terrorism and its own elected politicians.

Or perhaps resurrect Tolkien so he can re-engineer us a new culture.

Tom Clancy's plan would involve John Clark blowing terrists' heads off like ripe melons and mounting people at once.

Tolkien would write long poets how everything was better in the past and how we live the age of leaving and vanishing and change and everything's ruined and those fukken peons are mixing the aristocrat royal blood of higher beings once again.

[IceFire]

I've seen this before.  I put it in the same pile as the "moon landings never happened" folder.

Interesting question to ask but taken much too far.

Although a student of media and the powerful role that the media can play on the public, most media theories either allow room for or are contradicted by a relatively equal argument on how the public drives media.  Ultimately, there are no absolute truths and no perfect lies.  The simpliest answer is usually the one closest to the truth.

In a society like ours, there is the notion of free speech.  Its not perfectly free (and many question if it every really should be) but you can't really hide the big secrets.  If you manage to for a little while it will just be worse when it finally gets out.

So I'm fairly certain that people have landed on the moon, that the Pentagon was hit by a 757 airliner on September 11, and that Frodo does not exist except in books and DVD's.

The "evidence" to the contrary tries to explain away some fundamental issues as part of the overall conspiracy.  There is no foundation...its just fluff.  But then again, they can say whatever they want.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by IceFire
So I'm fairly certain... that the Pentagon was hit by a 757 airliner on September 11...

You've gotta admit, tho, that the lack of debris from the 757 is slightly beyond curious...

[DaBrain]

I have to admit I'm a fan of conspiracy theories. Whatever they are about.


There just has to be more behind this. There are a lot of things that do not make sense if you take a closer look at them.

Maybe will get to know more about this in a couple of years. Like Pearl Harbour. There was indeed more behind it.
Maybe not a conspiracy, but at least the officals didn't tell us everything.

[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by Sandwich



You've gotta admit, tho, that the lack of debris from the 757 is slightly beyond curious...

Actually, on that other page, it linked to that test of the airforce jet crashing into a brick wall or something - check out what happened to the jet Completely obliterated.

[IceFire]

Originally posted by Sandwich



You've gotta admit, tho, that the lack of debris from the 757 is slightly beyond curious...

I've seen photos of other plane crashes with aircraft the same or larger size than the 757 and there was nothing left that could be identified as an airliner.

From what I understand from the reports, the Terrorists flew full throttle into the side and the plane disintigrated.

Keep in mind that the 767's that hit the Trade Towers were much larger aircraft.  They are longer, wider, have a larger wing span and are much heavier.  The 757 is a smaller more commuter like aircraft.

Now based on what was said. There is video that has not been released.  Maybe an American can fill us in a bit more on the freedom of information act...that stuff has to be released at some point.

EDIT: If it wasn't a 757 then what was it?  Someone apparently said he smelt cordite used in explosives.  Car bomb?  Cars don't sound like jets.  Ok...cruise missile?  The flash in the video they do show is larger than a Tomahawk.  Another aircraft?  Where did the AA flight goto then?  And all the people onboard?  How come Osama's story about the 4 planes matches our story?

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by IceFire
Ok...cruise missile?  The flash in the video they do show is larger than a Tomahawk.

The flash? You mean the glimpse of the object pre-impact, or the explosion?

[Descenterace]

Some of the witnesses said it 'sounded like a missile'. So... who were these witnesses, and how do they know the difference between the sound made by an aircraft at cruising speed and a missile?

I mean, how much of the general public has actually HEARD a missile?

[aldo_14]

And how much of the public actually knows the difference in smell between a cruise missile, bomb or crashed aircraft?