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Offline Corsair

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/25082005/323/new-exhibit-london-zoo-humans.html

I guess this is taking a shot at intelligent design and such, showing that people are just apes. Pretty neat idea if you ask me... I'd go see it.
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:lol: Awesome, someone should do this stateside and watch the controversy reach a fever pitch. ^_^

 

Offline Deepblue

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I think the biggest point is that people are part of the environment too. Call it arrogant but the notion that people are just like apes is absolutely absurd. Since the dawn of the human species, we have changed, adapted, grown, and created. On the other hand, chimpanzees have not changed much as long as history can recall. The human species IS different from any other species on the planet. The question is why? Is it just the action of natural selection? If it is, why havn't any other species developed as much as humanity during history? Is it that we are born to rule over other species, that we have always been superior? A puzzling question indeed, and one that will probably not ever be answered by humanity.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Deepblue
I think the biggest point is that people are part of the environment too. Call it arrogant but the notion that people are just like apes is absolutely absurd. Since the dawn of the human species, we have changed, adapted, grown, and created. On the other hand, chimpanzees have not changed much as long as history can recall. The human species IS different from any other species on the planet. The question is why? Is it just the action of natural selection? If it is, why havn't any other species developed as much as humanity during history? Is it that we are born to rule over other species, that we have always been superior? A puzzling question indeed, and one that will probably not ever be answered by humanity.


Because natural selection acts upon random mutations.  Humanity has evolved through a myriad of intermediary stages and indeed branches from the path leading to Homo Sapiens.  The difference for humanity is simply a higher brain function.  It's not a predetermined right to rule the planet (you could argue the common fly or earthworm could claim that position, too - or the humble plankton); it's a freakish combination of mutations that were favoured by natural selection over time.

The other thing, of course, is it's possible there were higher-brain function hominids - that were simply out-competed by the species that evolved into humanity.  I think it's been considered that homo sapiens (and the earlier homo erectus) competed with homo neanderthalensis, driving the latter to extinction.

No-ones ever said humans are 'just like apes' (within the distinction made); but we are genetically releated and spring from the same ancestor.  If you bear in mind that all life sprang from some single celled organism in the primordial soup, it's not really suprising that humanity is different in the way it is - but also not in as many ways as you might think.

I think you'll find an evolutionary path for Chimpanzees, though; it's certainly not the case they've remained unchanged for millions of years (I think the earliest fossil evidence of Chimpanzee 'existence' is only a million years old).  But it's worth bearing in mind that that it'll always be impossible to establish a clear lineage because the fossil record is inherently fragile.

It's worth noting humanity has evolved, though; evidence from 10,000 years ago suggests modern humanity is less physically robust, and has developed smaller molars.  The frequency of the latter correlates with the use & frequency of food processing within cultures.

 

Offline Rictor

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They think this is insightful or something? Meh. I don't know, have we really reached the point where people need to be told that, yes, we are indeed animals. It about as thought-provoking as Dude Where's My Car.

 

Offline Corsair

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I think it's a pretty cool idea, though. It's definitely not something that you see every day.

Also, it is thought-provoking, I think. For some people, it's a different way of looking at things and puts humans in a different perspective.
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Offline Rictor

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Call me jaded, but who are these people who need to reminded that people are animals and not...what? I don't even know what the alternate proposition is. Who is the person who see the exibit and say "Hmm, you know I never thought of it that way before"?

 

Offline Mefustae

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Originally posted by Rictor
Call me jaded, but who are these people who need to reminded that people are animals and not...what? I don't even know what the alternate proposition is. Who is the person who see the exibit and say "Hmm, you know I never thought of it that way before"?

You'd be surprised how many people the world over don't think of Humanity as simply another species on the planet, but as higher beings, demi-gods if you will. Not to mention the many individuals that see the World and Humans as being completely seperate, thus they shed no tears over the extinction of another species or destruction of the environment, which is completely unacceptable...

...I think the exhibit is aimed at the many people who are offended when someone says we're related to Chimpanzees - someone like DeepBlue for example :p - and that the creation of said exhibit is kind of a 'slap in the face' to those people...

 

Offline Ford Prefect

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Do these people really look like they're exhibiting typical human behavior? Because they look more like people immitating chimps to me.
"Mais est-ce qu'il ne vient jamais à l'idée de ces gens-là que je peux être 'artificiel' par nature?"  --Maurice Ravel

 

Offline Stealth

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Originally posted by aldo_14
If you bear in mind that all life sprang from some single celled organism in the primordial soup...


if you believe in Evolution, that is...

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You'd be surprised how many people the world over don't think of Humanity as simply another species on the planet, but as higher beings, demi-gods if you will

think about what you just said.  now think of another 'species' on the planet that can even compare with humans.  i'd say the human 'species' is definately something different.  whether you care to admit it or not

 

Offline Rictor

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An Audi is different from a Yugo, it can go faster, it looks better - it might even have an onboard GPS, but they are both mechanically a car.


Humans breathe air, require nourishment, reproduce etc. We are biologically no different than any other animal, regardless of our achievements.

 

Offline Ford Prefect

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There are fundamental differences in cognitive ability between humans and all other life on this planet. On the other hand, we still exhibit a considerable degree of submission to our animal instincts. So I think that both arguments are valid.
"Mais est-ce qu'il ne vient jamais à l'idée de ces gens-là que je peux être 'artificiel' par nature?"  --Maurice Ravel

 

Offline Deepblue

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Originally posted by Mefustae

You'd be surprised how many people the world over don't think of Humanity as simply another species on the planet, but as higher beings, demi-gods if you will. Not to mention the many individuals that see the World and Humans as being completely seperate, thus they shed no tears over the extinction of another species or destruction of the environment, which is completely unacceptable...

...I think the exhibit is aimed at the many people who are offended when someone says we're related to Chimpanzees - someone like DeepBlue for example :p - and that the creation of said exhibit is kind of a 'slap in the face' to those people...


Hey!

Offended by relation no...

By the idea that we are no different... YES!

 

Offline Ace

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Meh you just think you're different, animal.

The < NEXT > will purge homeworld//desire of your kind. ;)

:pbbbt!:
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Offline Deepblue

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The hell???

 

Offline Ace

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Hurt//maim//kill animal predator < Deepblue >.

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Offline Mefustae

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Originally posted by Deepblue
Hey!

Offended by relation no...

By the idea that we are no different... YES!

Look at the differences, they're all pretty negative;

Nuclear Weapons...Check
Rape, Pilliage and Pointless Murder...Check
Microsoft...That's a big Check

Frankly, i'd love being a Chimp myself; i'd get to lie around all day, picking lice of my chimpy chums, jumping and swinging around aimlessly, and mating like crazy...gooood life...

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Stealth

think about what you just said.  now think of another 'species' on the planet that can even compare with humans.  i'd say the human 'species' is definately something different.  whether you care to admit it or not


Earthworms.  Will be around long after we die, and in far greater population numbers.

Or the common housefly; ditto.  INdeed, any smaller form of life, or single celled organisms.

All species are different - from humanity and from each other.  The concept of 'owning' the planet is a purely human idea, and is defined in purely human terms.  However, we cannot isolate ourselves from the ecosystem as easily as we can claim difference from the species forming that ecosystem.

Oh, and the exhibit's a publicity stunt to cash in on the recent ending of Big *hack, spit* Brother.

 
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Even if it is just a publicity stunt, the people could still benefit from what is presented. We may be human, but we're still animals. Many people feel we are god-like, rather arrogant for a species. If this changes their mind, then this is doing the world a favor.

 

Offline Corsair

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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Do these people really look like they're exhibiting typical human behavior? Because they look more like people immitating chimps to me.


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The scantily-clad volunteers will be treated as animals and kept amused at the central London zoo with games and music.


Apparently they have like board games and stuff. That's typical human behavior.
Wash: This landing's gonna get pretty interesting.
Mal: Define "interesting".
Wash: *shrug* "Oh God, oh God, we're all gonna die"?
Mal: This is the captain. We have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.