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Offline aldo_14

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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050911/pl_nm/arms_usa_nuclear_dc

[q]WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Defense Department has written a draft revision of its nuclear operations doctrine that outlines the use of nuclear weapons to pre-empt an enemy's attack with weapons of mass destruction, according to a copy of the document available online on Saturday.

The draft "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations," dated March 15, revised the "discussion of nuclear weapons use across the range of military operations."

According to the document, combatant commanders could request approval from the president to use nuclear weapons under a variety of scenarios, such as to pre-empt an enemy's use of weapons of mass destruction against the United States, multinational or alliance forces or civilian populations.

Commanders could seek approval to use nuclear weapons in the face of an enemy's imminent biological weapons attack that "only effects from nuclear weapons can safely destroy," the document said.

The draft also envisioned nuclear weapon use in attacks on enemy installations containing weapons of mass destruction, among other scenarios.

A Defense Department spokesman told Reuters the document had not yet been given to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. It is due to be signed within the next few weeks by the director of the Joint Staff, the spokesman said.

The unclassified document was available on numerous Web sites such as GlobalSecurity.org, a defense policy Web site. A
Pentagon site, however, listed the document as unavailable.

Other scenarios envisioned in the draft doctrine include nuclear weapons use to counter potentially overwhelming conventional forces, for rapid and favorable war termination on U.S. terms, to demonstrate U.S. intent and capability to use nuclear weapons to deter enemy use of weapons of mass destruction, and to respond to the use of weapons of mass destruction supplied by an enemy to a "surrogate."

The document said "numerous nonstate organizations (terrorist, criminal)" and about 30 countries have programs for weapons of mass destruction.

"Further, the possible use of WMD by nonstate actors either independently or as sponsored by an adversarial state, remain a significant proliferation concern," the draft said. [/q]

The bold bit is my highlight.  Note that the last condition would allow  a nuclear attack on, say, Syria or Iran if they suspected (no need for proof, it would seem) them supplying WMD used in a terrorist attack.  The 2nd last could be used to justify nuclear attacks on pretty much any nation in the US target list.
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Honestly, it's not like the US hasn't had a first-use policy for nuclear weapons for generations now anyhow.  Given the incredible political repercussions of actually using nuclear weapons, I imagine they will remain as last resorts.
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I dislike the general direction this is headed.
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I saw an ariticle over this stuff in pop-sci about a month ago.  They were talking about using nuclear bunker busters.
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basically this is a scare tactic. they want their enemies to think that they would actually use them, even though in reality they won't, unless they ever get around to developing those sub-kiloton nukes they were talking about a while ago.
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Except the enemies they're trying to scare wouldn't care.
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Except the enemies they're trying to scare wouldn't care.


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the US is just mad that they didnt make these Neutron bombs decades ago that woulda took out entire areas of people without damaging too much the structures housing them....

engh.... we always have MOABS...

 

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I wonder why they call it the "defence department" and not what it really is: The Offence department.
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Offline BlackDove

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Sounds good for the Americas.

I'd want that kind of defense where I lvie.

 

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the best defence is a good offence. :)
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I wonder why they call it the "defence department" and not what it really is: The Offence department.

It was deemed too offensive :)
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Offline Night Hammer

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engh.... we always have MOABS...


who needs nukes when weve got these beasts :yes:
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When it talkes about 'overwhelming conventional forces' I wonder if it means N Korea/China

 

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When it talkes about 'overwhelming conventional forces' I wonder if it means N Korea/China


meh.......

Spoiler:
probably just the rest of the world:D
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Offline Kosh

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It used to mean the Russians.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Does anyone else think that America is starting to sound like a crystal meth junkie?
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Offline Night Hammer

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most people arent from Long Island and know what a meth junkie sounds like:p
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I'm not from Long Island, just here for college. I'm from Massachusetts.

Using meth causes extreme levels of paranoia, which was the key link in my (hopefully) straightforward simile.
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