[Ford Prefect]

Well apparently not, considering that movies like this exist to begin with. Do you think someone created Crash thinking, "Wow this movie is gonna get their adrenaline pumping!"? As I said before, film has as much potential as an art form as anything else. The problem is that no one thinks of it that way, so they get diappointed when the well-crafted movies are "boring".

[mikhael]

Of course they have potential. Certain individuals have the potential to be good leaders. I have the potential to be clever.

Strangely, none of these things have happened.

[Scuddie]

I would say MGS3: Snake Eater was the best movie I've seen this year...

Sorry, had to say it .

[Ford Prefect]

Originally posted by mikhael
Of course they have potential. Certain individuals have the potential to be good leaders. I have the potential to be clever.

Strangely, none of these things have happened.

You're going to take the position that in the century it has existed, cinema has never displayed real artistic merit?

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by mikhael

Ah, naturally, if one doesn't like what you do, the can't be intelligent. Or maybe that was if they like something you don't they must not be intelligent. Thank you Mr. President.

Read what I write. Not what you want to read.

I didn't say you were stupid, but like most people, you managed to elaborate just that yourself, which is what happened when you stumbled horrifically over my word game. I phrased the post above like that intentionally. It was not to say you are stupid, it was to say:

a) People who like to use their brain enjoy the seemingly real-life mundane films (contrary to your belief, it does not automatically mean that stupid people enjoy films like Mr. and Mrs. Smith, and you will note those words were never written by me)

b) Mr. and Mrs. Smith is a stupid film

Originally posted by Ford Prefect

You're going to take the position that in the century it has existed, cinema has never displayed real artistic merit?

He's going to take the position that he is special and unique in having a belief which is extraordinary, rebellious and unique based on the fact that he needs to feel exempt from the laws of nature, and be unique.

Truly an opinion that would hold merit if these were the 1800s.

Smithsonian for you mikhael, enjoy it to the fullest, I'll stick with the diversified art of my own choosing and preference, since I have so many media to choose from. Smithsonian actually being one of them, just not exactly the same or comparable to the brewing world of films.

So, to reiterate and get back to the topic:

Crash rules.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by BlackDove


Crash rules.

So does Mr. & Mrs. Smith...

*runs*

[mikhael]

Originally posted by BlackDove


Read what I write. Not what you want to read.
...
a) People who like to use their brain enjoy the seemingly real-life mundane films (contrary to your belief, it does not automatically mean that stupid people enjoy films like Mr. and Mrs. Smith, and you will note those words were never written by me)

b) Mr. and Mrs. Smith is a stupid film

Uh. Yeah. That's what you said. Again. You say its a stupid film, so what does that say about people who like it?

He's going to take the position that he is special and unique in having a belief which is extraordinary, rebellious and unique based on the fact that he needs to feel exempt from the laws of nature, and be unique.

Truly an opinion that would hold merit if these were the 1800s.

I'm going to take the position that I'm neither special, nor unique as my opinions are neither, in this case. Shall I begin to put words into your mouth, as well?

Smithsonian for you mikhael, enjoy it to the fullest, I'll stick with the diversified art of my own choosing and preference, since I have so many media to choose from. Smithsonian actually being one of them, just not exactly the same or comparable to the brewing world of films.

So um. Have you been to the Smithsonian? Do you know anything about it? If you do how can you possibly make a comment about sticking to the "many media" and "diversified art"? Either you are ignorant (which is understandable or can be fixed) or you're a phillistine (which can't).

So, to reiterate and get back to the topic:

Crash sucks.

Though, surprisingly, Dark Water didn't (even considering it being a further work by the guy that did The Ring/RINGU)

[BlackDove]

That's one sad temper tantrum.

Very sad.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally posted by mikhael

Uh. Yeah. That's what you said. Again. You say its a stupid film, so what does that say about people who like it?

I stated earlier that I personally enjoy mindless entertainment films as much as anyone else, but that I judge them by completely different standards. In a previous thread, for example, I talked about how I loved Battlefield Earth, but that doesn't mean I thought it was a good movie. It's like junk food.

[BlackDove]

No, no.

The world of logic stipulates that when you say that a movie is stupid, it means that people who watch it are stupid.

Because everyone knows that.

...

[mikhael]

Originally posted by BlackDove
That's one sad temper tantrum.

Very sad.

Troll.

[Rictor]

Alright, I'm staying out of this, but how can you say Dark Water was good? I'm not one to complain when a film lacks car chases or explosions, but Dark Water was just boring. It wasn't even scary, not counting the flash editing and sudden bursts of sound which come standard every time any movie wants to create a chaotic atmosphere. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of horror films, but surely that should make me easier to scare, not harder.

I spent the entire duration trying to remember where I saw the cool creepy janitor before, and then I remembered: Usual Suspects.

Originally posted by Ford Prefect

I stated earlier that I personally enjoy mindless entertainment films as much as anyone else, but that I judge them by completely different standards. In a previous thread, for example, I talked about how I loved Battlefield Earth, but that doesn't mean I thought it was a good movie. It's like junk food.

If you can, get your hands on Banlieue 13. I think it's been out in Europe for a while, and PirateBay has a seed (though only one seeder). It fits the bill nicely: mindless action (though they do try to throw in a few political elements) but in a good way.

[Ford Prefect]

Why are you so deliberately jumping over every attempt to keep this a debate as opposed to a slugfest? Now you've just torpedoed a perfectly good discussion on a delightfully non-political topic.

[EDIT]: Thank you, Rictor. I'll certainly try to find that, although a lot of European films don't seem to make it over here, where foreign art is dirty. And The Usual Suspects is an amazing film-- one of my favorites. I get chills every time I watch the end.

[Rictor]

me?

[Ford Prefect]

No, sorry about the timing there.

[BlackDove]

Usual Suspects was great too, I actually need to re-watch that.

Kayser Sose needs to be seen again.

But seriously, Byrne and Spacey, is a win win situation.

[Stealth]

wow, just watched it.  without reading what was said in this thread, i think it's an awesome movie.  probably the 'deepest' movie i've seen all year, and it makes its way onto my top 10 movies of all time list.

the movie made me laugh, think, and cry all in one.  i think it was great.  thanks to whoever recommended it

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Why are you so deliberately jumping over every attempt to keep this a debate as opposed to a slugfest? Now you've just torpedoed a perfectly good discussion on a delightfully non-political topic.

If you mean me, I've been trying to be rather polite.

Originally posted by Rictor
Alright, I'm staying out of this, but how can you say Dark Water was good? I'm not one to complain when a film lacks car chases or explosions, but Dark Water was just boring. It wasn't even scary, not counting the flash editing and sudden bursts of sound which come standard every time any movie wants to create a chaotic atmosphere. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of horror films, but surely that should make me easier to scare, not harder.

I don't know, Rictor. I agree it wasn't scary, but neither was The Others, which I hold as the finest modern example of the genre. Better to say it was creepy, atmospheric and the writing appealed to my particular quirks. I don't know. It just really worked for me.

Contrast that to the Ring. I can't think of a movie I thought was worse in every possible way. It was like live action Neon Genesis Evangelion (though admittedly with less cel reuse).