[CP5670]

The Ares basically has no visible thrusters in the game. I'm almost certain that this has to do with the high poly Ares model in the media VPs. Is stuff concerning the VPs supposed to go on Mantis or should I be posting it here only?

[WMCoolmon]

Mantis it + assign to me.

[CP5670]

done, but I don't think I can assign bugs.

[Bobboau]

and it's probly a media problem

[StratComm]

As I said on Mantis, I'm the last person to touch that model.  I thought I got all of its data imported correctly, but I may have missed the engines.

Also, of note.  Are we talking about the thruster glows or the scaling models?  Because I think the scaled models may be absent intentionally.

[CP5670]

Well, both are missing. It looks the way it does when the ship is disabled.

[StratComm]

Ah crap.  This appears to be a two-fold issue.  One, and I'm just going to outright post the problem, is that the Ares has no engine system associated with the glowpoints.  Since there are also no plumes, when the glowpoints don't get rendered you don't see the plumes either.  However, adding the necessary line to the engine glow bank properties doesn't fix it (as it definitely should) so it looks like there's some kind of hard-coded exception around the Ares that's mucking up.  This is on its way to mantis, I just wanted to report it here.

[taylor]

Originally posted by StratComm
One, and I'm just going to outright post the problem, is that the Ares has no engine system associated with the glowpoints.

Doesn't really matter, the code handles this case since quite a few models don't properly associate a subsystem with thruster banks.  The problem is that no subsystem appears to actually be marked as a thruster.  If it's not marked as a thruster then it won't render any thrusters/glows on that subsystem.

Of course this is coming from a code monkey who doesn't really know anything about modeling so I'm explaining it from a code point of view.  Don't know if it makes sense to normal people.

[StratComm]

If the POF spec has changed in this regard, we need a revised version available to the public.  I'm not aware of any way to mark a subsystem as a "thruster", unless you mean an "engine" which is present (and must be for motion) and works fine.

[taylor]

I wrote this same thing in the the Mantis bug but since some people might not be checking both:  If the subobject name contains the word "thruster" then that subobject is marked as a thruster.  If it's not marked as a thruster then it won't render any thruster glows.

[StratComm]

Originally posted by taylor
I wrote this same thing in the the Mantis bug but since some people might not be checking both

That's been my thinking too.  I'll let the rest of this stay on Mantis though, because I understand the terminology and am checking it regularly.  If it's a purely media issue after all, I'll post an updated model when we get it resolved.

[StratComm]

CP, I'm guessing you were trying to use the Ares in one of the last campaign missions weren't you.  It's actually not a media issue at all.   Welcome to the first bug of 3.6.7

[CP5670]

You're right, that is where I first noticed it (in sm3-08), but it also comes up in a standalone test mission I have. I got all this in the 8/28 build though; I haven't tried it with 3.6.7 yet.