[WMCoolmon]

200 polies isn't going to be as much of a problem as multiple textures.

[CaptJosh]

I was being civil. I merely used a paraphrase of an old expression. "Learn from the mistakes of others. You'll never live long enough to make them all yourself." It's an old adage, tried and true. I only got snarky at the gentleman (and I use the term loosely) who called me a n00b.

I merely make the suggestion that a guide to FS2 Open modeling would be good for the community as a whole. People would have a list of what already has been tried and won't work. A list of things to try, etc...
It's rather like the EV Nova Bible for learning Nova Control Bits and other things for making mods for that game.

[Flaser]

When I meant, n00b I meant it as someone new to the SCP engine.
It is a open source, open development engine and is usually way underrated IMHO.

There are some really unorthodox menthods in it, and in some aspects it is way ahead its time.

The feature I meant for you to check out was Bobbau's detail box redering.
I makes it possible to have really high poly subobjects.
Unlike general loding it will only show up if the said subobject is within a set radius.
By putting boxes into boxes (something I frequently call recursive detail boxing) you can make it so, that the more and more detail shows up seamlessly as you come close; but only a couple of high poly models will be rendered at any given time.

(So the viola next to your cockpit on other side of the brige's window, the captain; but not the CD-collection of the XO whose stuff is on the other side of the room 20 meters away).

[CaptJosh]

Next time, try to put things more constructively, please. The term n00b is going to be inflamatory to any experienced gamer/beta tester/webboarder. And it most deffinitely is going to be offensive to someone who can compile and install applications from source on Linux.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by CaptJosh
I merely make the suggestion that a guide to FS2 Open modeling would be good for the community as a whole. People would have a list of what already has been tried and won't work. A list of things to try, etc...

Problem is who is going to write it? I'd rather see the coders who wrote the feature coding than writing complex documentation (Although they need to do some documentation of course) and pretty much the same thing is true with modellers who use these features.

I do something a little similar with FRED and it's a lot of hard work to keep it up to date. Modelling is worse because at least with FRED you can playtest to see if something works in minutes. It takes a hell of a lot longer to test a modelling feature.

[Nuke]

i hope noone called me a noob, ive been modding sence freespace 1. i use 3 basic guidlines.

guidline for performance:
if it runs better than doom 3, its cool.

guidline for balence:
if you make a uber death weapon or super ship from hell, give the enemy one too.

guidline for dealing with critics:
flip the bird and tell em to stuff it somplace stinky

[Bobboau]

if you want to get some idea what the detail box setup can do look at these two vids

http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/DSv2.wmv
http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/trench.wmv

[CaptJosh]

Damn, man! That is SLICK! I take it you're working on a Star Wars total conversion mod?

[WMCoolmon]

Omniscaper actually recorded those vids, although the star wars mod is looking for staff

[Flipside]

Hmmmm.... Definable fog (without poofs) in levels, with the right backgrounds, this could work brilliantly, also handy for....more terrestrial reasons.

Mines and minelaying AI

Not sure if this has been done already, but the ability to make the main object invulnerable, whilst keeping the subobjects as vulnerable, you can already assign individual hitpoints to them if needed iirc.

I'm sure I'll think of more

[CaptJosh]

I think I've seen that done before. So far as I know, no matter how hard you try, when you first encounter it, while you can disable it and destroy every subsystem on it, you cannot kill the SD Ravannah when first you encounter her in the FS2 Campaign. I've gotten her hull down to 1% and still she doesn't blow up no matter how much longer I stay there and blast away with missiles and guns.

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by CaptJosh
I think I've seen that done before. So far as I know, no matter how hard you try, when you first encounter it, while you can disable it and destroy every subsystem on it, you cannot kill the SD Ravannah when first you encounter her in the FS2 Campaign. I've gotten her hull down to 1% and still she doesn't blow up no matter how much longer I stay there and blast away with missiles and guns.

That's different. The Ravanna has the "Big Ship" flag, which means only heavy weapons like bombs and beams, can ultimately destroy a ship, though fighter weapons can weaken them down to 1%.

[CaptJosh]

Well that explains that, I guess. My mistake.

[Prophet]

Originally posted by Black Wolf
though fighter weapons can weaken them down to 1%.

I dear to say that I'm pretty sure it's 10%...

[CaptJosh]

If it is, there's a problem, then. Because I've gotten the Ravanna down to 1%.

[StratComm]

It's down to about 10% at normal damage levels, then down to 1% at reduced levels AFAIK.  And it's the "corvette" flag that makes it act like that.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by Prophet


I dear to say that I'm pretty sure it's 10%...

I think it used to be, but SCP changed it so that at 10% the damage would be greatly reduced to make it seem more realistic.

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
I think it used to be, but SCP changed it so that at 10% the damage would be greatly reduced to make it seem more realistic.

And later it was changed back.

[CaptJosh]

Well, all I know is that once it hit 10%, and this is on the release 3.6.7, mind you, it took forever before I got it down to 1%, and then it wouldn't go down any more.

[TrashMan]

two thigs:


- a disable Command messages only option in FRED


- a SEXP that allows you to activate/deactivate player orders. Why?
Let's say I want to make a mission where tehy player is part of a wing he doesn't command (thus all player orders are disabled9. Let's say I want the leader to get killed and you take over. In order to do that I would need some SEXP trick that sets all player orders of a ship/wing to enabled or disabled.