[Janos]

Uhh, the test's point is actually that EVERYONE gets the "strong sense of right and wrong and economic fairness blah blah blah" line. I mean, everyone; those who categorize as Republicans, Fascists, Democrats, Socialists, Libertarians, Centrists, whathaveyou.

So if discussing TrashMan's totalitarian leanings, we can safely ignore that line. It has preciously little to do with the rest of the analysis.

[Tolwyn]

hmm... a very... strange... test

You are a

Social Conservative
(20% permissive)

and an...

Economic Moderate
(50% permissive)

You are best described as a:

Fascist


You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness. loc: (-113, 0)
modscore: (30, 12)

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect

Hitler was quite sane. Stalin was possibly unbalanced, but not psychotic. Atrocities are committed by the sane and insane alike. None of us, raised in a civilization, believe that it is good to harm another person, but nor do we see people who are remote from us as real human beings. I don't care what your belief is-- the life of some guy walking down the street is not worth crap to you, nor is his life worth crap to me, or to anyone who doesn't know him. How do you think Hitler succeeded? Because the Germans are evil people who take pleasure in genocide? He succeeded because people do not feel the weight of human suffering unless it affects us personally.

quite wrong about me in that regard.. Icponsider all life sacred..

I even pay attention when I walk not to step on an ant (no kidding). I don't kill spiders I let them live (and if there's too much of them I just throw a few out of the house)

The only living thing I ever killed were a couple of roches and mosquitos..
so no.. I wouldn't never, EVER harm phisicly of any other way anotehr human being if he's not thretning my life or someone elses DIRECTLY.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by TrashMan


quite wrong about me in that regard.. Icponsider all life sacred..

I even pay attention when I walk not to step on an ant (no kidding). I don't kill spiders I let them live (and if there's too much of them I just throw a few out of the house)

The only living thing I ever killed were a couple of roches and mosquitos..
so no.. I wouldn't never, EVER harm phisicly of any other way anotehr human being if he's not thretning my life or someone elses DIRECTLY.

But how do you define harm or suffering?  From your previous posts, it would seem that you don't include losing the right to privacy, or the right to equality as being harmful.  I would disagree with that; suffering cannot be measured in terms of pain or death but in all aspects of life and psyche IMO, and that the likes of surveillance, racial/ethnic/religious profiling bias inflict suffering in terms of the way they removal basic civil liberties and human rights.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally posted by TrashMan


quite wrong about me in that regard.. Icponsider all life sacred..

I even pay attention when I walk not to step on an ant (no kidding). I don't kill spiders I let them live (and if there's too much of them I just throw a few out of the house)

The only living thing I ever killed were a couple of roches and mosquitos..
so no.. I wouldn't never, EVER harm phisicly of any other way anotehr human being if he's not thretning my life or someone elses DIRECTLY.

But you act this way consciously, not instinctually. You make a point of avoiding the infliction of harm simply to validate the notion to yourself. I'm not saying that's bad. It's how civilization works; we make conscious efforts to defy our instincts simply to prove to ourselves that it's possible. But, I would argue that your belief in the sancity of all life is purely an intellectual one, not an emotional impulse, and thus will only hold its sway so long as there is no compelling reason to abandon it. I'm sure there were many people in Nazi Germany whose religious beliefs dictated that all life is sacred, but that didn't stop them from contributing to the fascist movement, because if they didn't have any Jewish/Gypsy/homosexual/trade unionist friends, they could not possibly feel the suffering that actually took place, whereas they did feel the pressure of the government breathing down their necks.

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by aldo_14


But how do you define harm or suffering?  From your previous posts, it would seem that you don't include losing the right to privacy, or the right to equality as being harmful.  I would disagree with that; suffering cannot be measured in terms of pain or death but in all aspects of life and psyche IMO, and that the likes of surveillance, racial/ethnic/religious profiling bias inflict suffering in terms of the way they removal basic civil liberties and human rights.

Where do you get that crap from? Since when I'm against privacy or since when am I against equality?
You sir, are making an elephant out of a flea...

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by TrashMan


Where do you get that crap from? Since when I'm against privacy or since when am I against equality?
You sir, are making an elephant out of a flea...

CCTV & use of racial/ethnic/religious profiling threads.

[Rictor]

All (or very nearly all) people have a belief system, and having a rock solid belief (right and wrong) does not necessarily relate to totalitarianism. It's forcing your beliefs on others, not the existance of the beliefs, that leads to tyrnaical behaviour. Many people have a personal set of values, which may or may not jive with those of a larger group, but exercise them individualy and peacefully.

Unless I'm wrong, the Pope doesn't have armed missionaries anymore who go around converting people under threat of death. He is the accepted leader of those who choose to call themselves Catholic, but he has no authority over the lives of either Christians or non-Christians, and no means (and I would say desire) to gain such authority or exercise it. Unless you're part of the clergy that it, in which case you willingly join with all the heirarchy that that entials.

Modern political parties and their respective ideologies are much more likely to exert pressure on the unwilling to further their beliefs than a few old men sitting around in robes.

[BlackDove]

[size=999]ACE IS A COMMIE HA HA HA!!![/size]

*points and laughs*

Yes, I know socialist doesn't mean communist, get off my nuts

[Janos]

> You will be first against the wall.

[Kamikaze]

You are a Social Liberal (83% permissive) and an... Economic Liberal (18% permissive) You are best described as a: Socialist   You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness. loc: (124, -119) modscore: (11, 50) raw: (1548)     Link: http://www.okcupid.com/politics'>The Politics Test  on http://www.okcupid.com'>Ok Cupid

Looks fairly accurate.

[Singh]

You are a

Social Moderate
(43% permissive)

and an...

Economic Liberal
(25% permissive)

You are best described as a:

Democrat


You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness. loc: (-25, -94)
modscore: (15, 26)

[Ace]

Originally posted by BlackDove
[size=999]ACE IS A COMMIE HA HA HA!!![/size]

*points and laughs*

Yes, I know socialist doesn't mean communist, get off my nuts

Silence Commissar BD! Lest you betray the fact that BWO is the ultimate piece of propiganda for the Motherland!

Death to the facist imperialists!

[WMCoolmon]

I don't feel like taking the test, but would be perfectly happy with throwing a dart at it to determine where I lie. Is there a spot for that?

Going by previous tests, I'm a Democratic Liberal Republican Libertarian.

[mikhael]

WMCoolman, I plugged your "Democratic Liberal Republican Libertarian" into the test. It said:

You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness.

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by aldo_14


CCTV & use of racial/ethnic/religious profiling threads.

Don't put meaning in my words that isn't there. Unlike torturing people and beating them or scaring the living hell out of them, CCTV is something very debatable even among normal people. that's far from being against privacy..


As for the profiling thread you completely (again) missed my point. My poin was that if you are looking for Al-Quaida terrorists the best place to look for them is among those private religious teachers (as they are not that dumb to spread their message in large public moscs)
Wether you like it or no all Al-Quaida are muslim.. so it only makes sense to look there. but that doesn't men to bother all of them either...

[mikhael]

Again you miss Aldo's point, Trashman.

From where I and he sit, your ideas on racial profiling and use of CCTV for monitoring the populace violate the rights of the populace. From where you sit, they do not.

For what its worth, most totalitarian dictators have at one time or another said something along the lines of, "Look, you just didn't understand what I meant by [insert dictatorial pronouncement here]." You're in good (or bad, depending on where you sit on the subject of individual and economic freedoms) company.

[Flipside]

You are a   Social Liberal (80% permissive) and an...   Economic Liberal (18% permissive) You are best described as a:  Socialist                             Link: http://www.okcupid.com/politics'>The Politics Test  on http://www.okcupid.com'>Ok Cupid

Edit :- Oh, and.....

"I would dictate that... All Bananas be painted Red, just to confuse the monkeys."

[Marauder]

Not nerdy but not hip?

[CP5670]

We need more nerd gods. I have only counted three so far.