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Offline ZmaN

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I have a couple questions about the lucy's shields...

1. Why weren't the lucifers shields unpenetrable?  the terrans and the vasudans have weapons that penetrate Shivan fighter shields, but why can't they penetrate the lucifers shields?

2.  Why didn't the Shivans use the shields on more ship other than the Lucifer?

3. Why didnt those types of shields have any mention in Freespace 2?

4. I was reading in the wiki that the lucifer had "what we call to 'beam turrets'... "  I never saw any beam turrets in Freepsace 1...  the only thing i recall of even being CLOSE to beam turrets is when the lucifer destroys one of the arcadia stations, and it shoots these missile lookin thingys out of its two front arms...  are those them?

5. why wasnt there even a Lucifer CLASS destroyer in FS2?

6. Is there anything else I should know about the Lucifer's Shields?
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I am pretty certain that there is a long thread devoted to the Lucifer on the board. You'll find answers there. Give it a search.

 

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Originally posted by ZmaN
I have a couple questions about the lucy's shields...

1. Why weren't the lucifers shields unpenetrable?  the terrans and the vasudans have weapons that penetrate Shivan fighter shields, but why can't they penetrate the lucifers shields?
That is never explained in Freespace 1 or 2...

2.  Why didn't the Shivans use the shields on more ship other than the Lucifer?
That is never explained in Freespace 1 or 2...

3. Why didnt those types of shields have any mention in Freespace 2?
What do we look like to you, :v:?...

4. I was reading in the wiki that the lucifer had "what we call to 'beam turrets'... "  I never saw any beam turrets in Freepsace 1...  the only thing i recall of even being CLOSE to beam turrets is when the lucifer destroys one of the arcadia stations, and it shoots these missile lookin thingys out of its two front arms...  are those them?
Those 'missile lookin[sic] thingys' that come out of the Lucifer are Beam Weapons, but as the engine was far more primitive than what we see in FS2, beams were presented in that way. As FS1 is a game from a far more primitive time of gaming, awesome effects like the Beam Weapons in FS2 just weren't possible with the technology of the time...

5. why wasnt there even a Lucifer CLASS destroyer in FS2?
That is never explained in Freespace 1 or 2...and anyway, what do you need with a Superdestroyer when you've got a Juggernaut...?

6. Is there anything else I should know about the Lucifer's Shields?
Not really, but to avoid flaming, use the Search tool, it's an amazing tool to those that take the time to use it


Honestly mate, the Seach is there for a reason. Please use it in the future rather than make threads about topics already discussed to the nth degree elsewhere..
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Yeah, these things have been discussed ad nauseum here. :p

To be honest I always thought of the Lucifer as a unique ship, specifically designed to wipe out races at the subspace level of development, to demoralize them and eradicate them. It had special weapons, special shields, special reactors, special comms, everything; it's one of a kind. Remember that the Colossus was specifically designed to counter another Lucifer threat; what the GTVA got instead was a totally withering unimaginable Shivan force.
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The Lucifer had the benefit of four reactors. That's gonna give a helluva lot more power than any pathetic little fighter engine. I doubt the Lucifer would survive a massive enough explosion, even with the shields up.
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
The Lucifer had the benefit of four reactors. That's gonna give a helluva lot more power than any pathetic little fighter engine. I doubt the Lucifer would survive a massive enough explosion, even with the shields up.


Like, say, the explosion of a star? ;7
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Like, say, the explosion of a star? ;7
Hey, that's a pretty good idea; should the GTVA ever run into another Lucifer, they can just go ask Carter to blow up another sun...:p

 

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Or put it on a planet with Rodney.

I still find it funny that he accidentally blew up a planet.
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Originally posted by ZmaN
I have a couple questions about the lucy's shields...

1. Why weren't the lucifers shields unpenetrable?  the terrans and the vasudans have weapons that penetrate Shivan fighter shields, but why can't they penetrate the lucifers shields?

More reactors = more power. They absorbed enough to stop any damage?

2.  Why didn't the Shivans use the shields on more ship other than the Lucifer?

Too big? Once again, you're talking about 4 massive reactors, not a ship power plant.

3. Why didnt those types of shields have any mention in Freespace 2?

Uh...

4. I was reading in the wiki that the lucifer had "what we call to 'beam turrets'... "  I never saw any beam turrets in Freepsace 1...  the only thing i recall of even being CLOSE to beam turrets is when the lucifer destroys one of the arcadia stations, and it shoots these missile lookin thingys out of its two front arms...  are those them?

Yes. They're a special missile with an infinite trail and no engine glow.

5. why wasnt there even a Lucifer CLASS destroyer in FS2?

Maybe the Lucifer was a one-off ship like the Colossus, and the only one built.

6. Is there anything else I should know about the Lucifer's Shields?

You'll never damage a ship set to invincible ;)



Some speculation in there.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by ZmaN
I have a couple questions about the lucy's shields...

1. Why weren't the lucifers shields unpenetrable?  the terrans and the vasudans have weapons that penetrate Shivan fighter shields, but why can't they penetrate the lucifers shields?

2.  Why didn't the Shivans use the shields on more ship other than the Lucifer?

3. Why didnt those types of shields have any mention in Freespace 2?

4. I was reading in the wiki that the lucifer had "what we call to 'beam turrets'... "  I never saw any beam turrets in Freepsace 1...  the only thing i recall of even being CLOSE to beam turrets is when the lucifer destroys one of the arcadia stations, and it shoots these missile lookin thingys out of its two front arms...  are those them?

5. why wasnt there even a Lucifer CLASS destroyer in FS2?

6. Is there anything else I should know about the Lucifer's Shields?


1/Unknown.  Probably power output; I'm sure one of the Volition staff has mentioned that the Lucifers shields were only impenetrable to FS1 era weaponry (I think Icefire said this).
2/Unknown.  Best guess would probably be power issues; the Lucifer had multiple reactors.
3/Unknown.  I'd guess they were simply outdated, as TV weaponry was now powerful enough to breach them.  It's unknown how or when the Shivans developed beam tech.  It's possible the FS1 fleet was a very old, or very primitive one compared to the rest of the Shivans at that time.
4/The Lucifers' 'beams' are, indeed, the missiles (flux cannon) it uses.  I think, again, the devs mentioned they wanted a better effect but couldn't make one.  The support for proper beams being on the Lucy is threefold - the beams in the FS2 table entry, the beam depicted in the vprime.ani (Destroying the city), and the beam seen in the FS2 intro.
5/ See 3.  No way to know; the Shivans could have had a fleet of them in reserve for all we can tell.  It's possible, too, that the FS1 Lucifer was the only existing one when destroyed - or that they had been retired and replaced by the Sathani (although the Saths seem to have at least some other purpose vis-a-vis the FS2 ending).  

My preferred guess is that the Lucifer was a special purpose type of ship used for obliterating civillisations, and it simply wasn't the right weapon for the Shivans to use in FS2 (as we - well, the NTF - came to them).  Essentially - and this chimes with galemp - that it was designed to use exceptional subspace abilities to infiltrate enemy lines, jumping behind blockades, etc, and destroying fleets lacking the technology to counter or defend against such an attack.
6/Lucifer shields were, apparently 'sheath shields'.
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Or put it on a planet with Rodney.

I still find it funny that he accidentally blew up a planet.
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or maybe it was just a really dodgy story element....

 

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Search for a thread called "Shivans, Beams, and the Great War". I'm pretty sure everything you're asking has been answered there.
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after much discussion with some of our prominent debaters of this sort of thing, i have a very viable answer....but you'll have to wait for Origins to come out to see it.
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after much discussion with some of our prominent debaters of this sort of thing, i have a very viable answer....but you'll have to wait for Origins to come out to see it.


Origins? I'm guessing that is some kind of mod, right? Could you link me or give me some background information?

Too many question marks.

 

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A FS2 campaing. U could search that also...

I was just thinking. NTF shows a big similarity to the HOL. With the fact that Shivans like Humans. Shivans raped the HOL, as the NTF became friends... or lunch. Eiher way.

I still remember to this day the Lucy had 5 reactors. (What other ships have reactors in FS2 btw?)
With that kind of power, vs. a T-V era cap with No reactors, the shields won. No way they could penetrate.

I think in FS- we would see a 2nd Lucy to spice things up. Well, id like to see one in the story. Lucy had to be old gen. Or a proto type (for the sun nova'ing Sathi's?).

We need to solve the mistery of the Sathi some day. Someone apply to work at :V: and 'dig around' the old files.
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The Rakshasa and Moloch have reactor subsystems, but that's more potential story-driven than effective.  Every ship has a reactor; it's what gives them power.

And the NTF and HOL had nothing in common.  The HOL welcomed the Shivan's role as destroyers, and actively sought to help them run the entire Vasudan race into oblivion.  The NTF (Bosch) wanted to ally with the shivans to preserve Humanity.  Different aims, different means.
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