[Hudson]

Can anyone tell me which systems are owned by who? For example is Betelgeuse vasudan or terran?  I realise each system is split due to the GTVA, but Im sure there would be a majority one way or the other.

maybe someone would be so kind as to modify this map to show who owns what

http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fsnodemap5sb.gif

Or hell maybe someone could do us all a favor and make a decent looking high res map that has color coding to show who owns what.

[Charismatic]

Im pritty sure you can find one useing the Search feature. Look under my post count.

[Nuclear1]

There's some real gray area on who owns what now that the GTVA is mixing systems--there are some obvious ones, such as Sol and Delta Serpentis belonging to the Terrans and Vasuda Prime/Aldebaran belonging to the Vasudans, but I'm pretty sure there might be some Terran colonists in majorly Vasudan systems such as Deneb or vice versa in places like Capella.

They're far too mixed to really tell, honestly.

[IceFire]

I think there's some vague guesses you can make.  Its sort of hard to guess but if you read the Intel room you get a sense of which systems are predominantly Terran and which are Vasudan.

With the GTVA being in place, you're bound to find tons of both scattered about.

[Luigi30]

The FS1 briefings show Vasudan systems. Why not go by those?

[Eishtmo]

At the end of the 14 Year War, this is how it broke down, gleamed from avi's.

Terran:

Dubbe
Alphard
Bernard's Star
Wolf 539
Luyten 726-BA
Laramis
Delta Serprentis
Ross 128
Sol
Beta Aquilea
Ribos
Betelgeuse
Ikeya
Beta Cygni

Vasudan:

Altair
Aldebarran
Alpha Centauri
Sirius
Deneb
Vasuda
Regulus

Contested:

Antares
Vega
Capella
Epsilon Pegisi
Gamma Draconis
Polaris
Adhara
Mirfak

I've got a worked up map I did (sorry about the spelling, in a bit of rush), but I just haven't put it up anywhere.

[TrashMan]

Terrna have more! We RULE!

[BlackDove]

Not really.

The contested ones were almost all on the Vasudan side.

It's one of the reasons the word of Shivans came late. GTA was hoping the new sentient species had something against the Vasudans, and let them rape for a tactical advantage. Only after 1/4 of the systems have been claimed and they started entering GTA space, was the information broadcast.

As you know, the Ross 128 story is just a cover. Ash specifically said he engaged them elsewhere. They came a few systems backtrack ago. Most likely a system with another Knossos gate.

[Mefustae]

Originally posted by BlackDove Not really.

The contested ones were almost all on the Vasudan side.

It's one of the reasons the word of Shivans came late. GTA was hoping the new sentient species had something against the Vasudans, and let them rape for a tactical advantage. Only after 1/4 of the systems have been claimed and they started entering GTA space, was the information broadcast.

As you know, the Ross 128 story is just a cover. Ash specifically said he engaged them elsewhere. They came a few systems backtrack ago. Most likely a system with another Knossos gate.

Could I get the exact line he mentions it? I could swear that he only talked about encountering the shivans in the skirmish he came directly from...

[Nuclear1]

Plus, who's to say that the Vasudans didn't have some of the systems beyond Regulus or Altair? There's two jump nodes that aren't "explored", but it's likely that the Vasudans simply gave up on them following the Shivan invasion.

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by Mefustae
Could I get the exact line he mentions it? I could swear that he only talked about encountering the shivans in the skirmish he came directly from...

He doesn't say they were in a different system, but the fact he fought them elsewhere, means that they come from somewhere else. They "tracked" him to Riviera.

You could still probably claim that they emerged into Ross 128 the first time and saw Ash's scirmish, but that's slim on the mathematical scale of probability, and what's more, the systems that the Shivans are coming from (north east on the map, all painted Red - seriously doubt those were focal points of any "struggle" aside from the blatant obliteration caused by Shivans) have already been taken.

We know for a fact the GTA waited. How long... well. Enough for there to be another Knossos.

[IceFire]

Originally posted by BlackDove


He doesn't say they were in a different system, but the fact he fought them elsewhere, means that they come from somewhere else. They "tracked" him to Riviera.

You could still probably claim that they emerged into Ross 128 the first time and saw Ash's scirmish, but that's slim on the mathematical scale of probability, and what's more, the systems that the Shivans are coming from (north east on the map, all painted Red - seriously doubt those were focal points of any "struggle" aside from the blatant obliteration caused by Shivans) have already been taken.

We know for a fact the GTA waited. How long... well. Enough for there to be another Knossos.

Well some thoughts on that.

Since there was no intersystem jump drive before late in the FS1 campaign, the fight would have to have taken place in Ross128.  How the Vasudans got to Ross128 is another matter.  They may have already been there and managed to sneak several ships through Delta Serpentis (also the node grid changed between beginining to end of the story so that explains it as an inconsistency).  So the Vasudans and Terrans are having a bit of a skermish and the Shivans show up.

One can assume a couple of things:
1) The Shivans probably entered the system through a node that is not traversable by Vasudan or Terran technology
2) OR the nodemap allowed more jump nodes to Ross128 before the story was finished (which did happen)
3) The Shivans probably tracked the Vasudan and Terran skermish from their subspace jump signatures
4) They followed Lt. Ash the same way

[BlackDove]

I'm going for the second one really.

[Galemp]

Petrarch specifically says in the briefing for "Exodus" in FS2 that Shivans made jumps without using nodes in Ross 128, Ikeya, and other locations at the start of the Great War. We also know that the Shivans can use jump nodes too unstable for Terran or Vasudan travel, and probably have their own that we haven't discovered yet. Tracking Shivan movement in FS1 is next to impossible, as the GTA quickly learned.

[WMCoolmon]

I thought Petrarch stated that they made use of unstable nodes, so they were just as reliant on them as the GTVA?

[BlackDove]

WM's right. That was the point he was trying to make.

[achtung]

Here's my take on the whole shivans showing up situation.

During T-V war GTI discovers uncharted node or Knossos (since all records were destroyed in the rebellion who knows?   They could have found a Knossos).

GTI sends expeditionary force into node and finds the shivans.

GTI forces in the area are wiped out by shivan forces a few escape and inform GTI command.

GTI tries to cover it up.

The lucifer fleet comes in from the node and slips into Terran-Vasudan space while the GTI is busy trying to hide what happened.

Then the Great War begins.

[BlackDove]

Doubt it. It's possible, but I wouldn't go with it.

They came without warning. Whole point really. They had to take 1/4 of the resources to be recognised too. If they were discovered and studied earlier, they'd be recognised as a danger immediatly.

And I don't think Operation Thresher would be attempted at all. You'd focus your **** on the Shivans, as both V and T did when they figured out armaggeddon is coming.

Also, first Ancients contact was with the Vasudan Scientists in Altair.

[Hudson]

Thanks for that info Eishtmo!

[Eishtmo]

You're welcome.

My view is that the conflict is so scattered and wide ranging that Vasudan and Terran ships are scattered throughout, in nearly every system.  They're either leftovers from previous offensive campaigns, stragglers, spec ops or even sappers.  This is why they're in Ross 128, Betelgeuse and other systems.  None of the systems are truely secure.

However, when it comes to the contested systems, you have massive fleet battles, entrenched troops, and all the things one would associate with full out combat.  That's where the real war is/was, while the other stuff, even the stuff you start FS1 doing is really just a side show to the real fight.