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Offline karajorma

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Well if we have to wait for Interplay to file a cease and desist there won't be much of a problem then. They're too busy desperately trying to keep the company alive to bother with stuff that won't make them any money.

That said I wouldn't want to see [V] getting pissed off with the community.
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Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Unknown Target
That's a first. Might be a new staff member? Anyway, the EULA does actually state that you are allowed to create free copies of Freespace 2 and give them to friends, as long as you do it for free.

Also, if you do host FS1, I won't sue you, but there's a chance someone else will.


Mark Allender was the Lead Programmer for Summoner.

I think the legal definition of friends, as within the EULA, doesn't extend to the general public.  

EDIT; Although the 'legal stuff' part of the readme is a little fuzzy, so I'd just ask for clarification.  At the very least it'd cover your arse, although i'm pretty sure the licence gives no right to distributed (cannot 'distribute' or 'copy' comes seperately from the stuff relating to commercial use).

[q]
General Product License. This copy of FreeSpace 2 (the "Software") is
intended solely for your personal non-commercial home entertainment use.
You may not decompile, reverse engineer, or disassemble the Software,
except as permitted by law. Interplay Entertainment Corp. and its
licensors retain all right, title and interest in the Software including
all intellectual property rights embodied therein and derivatives thereof.
The Software, including, without limitation, all code, data structures,
characters, images, sounds, text, screens, game play, derivative works and
all other elements of the Software may not be copied, resold, rented,
leased, distributed (electronically or otherwise), used on a pay-per-play,
coin-op or other for-charge basis, or for any commercial purpose.  Any
permissions granted herein are provided on a temporary basis and can be
withdrawn by Interplay Productions at any time. All rights not expressly
granted are reserved.[/q]
« Last Edit: October 25, 2005, 06:26:48 pm by 181 »

 

Offline Charismatic

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First of all, if you're planning to email Allender, it's a stupid idea. he's not going to change his mind.

Second, you, sir, are just plain retarded. Turn out good? Come on, man. They're threatening to sue him (note, i said sue, not compliment him) about this. They DON'T like it. I dunno where you got this idea, but it's a half-assed idea. :p


First, yes its the same guy. Asking for a email is not changing our relations.

Second, no its not. And i would not even comment about the freespacezone site.

Third, yeah it could. If the EULA gives Hunter the ok, then it would be legal and thus more eyes on FS2.. so no it snot a half assed idea, and STFU coby.
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Offline Nuclear1

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Children, children. Take the pissing contest outdoors, please, and stop putting stains on the walls.

I'm not taking sides, but I think I agree that the EULA gives someone permission to copy FS2 for individual friends, not a group that spans the globe.

Now, both of you behave.
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 
i dont know how u call freespacezone a commercial website lol, it dont charge, and it just distributes to those who are told about it, there is no advertisments to freespacezone. Interplay probably wont even bother with my site, so im probably just gunna leave it running until i get a message from one of them to take it off. and when this happens, im going to just give torrents on the site. I will not let this game die!

 

Offline Unknown Target

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Dumb noobs bother me...

And Hunter, believe it or not, this game won't die without you. We have somehow managed this far without you, and I doubt very much that we won't continue long after you've left.

 

Offline Nuclear1

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Indeed. You're not the only person to have (or have had) a copy of FS2 up for download. HotU, Game Warden, and numerous others have copies of FS2 up, and it's unlikely that things will go down if Freespacezone gets busted.
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 

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Offline karajorma

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Originally posted by Unknown Target
And Hunter, believe it or not, this game won't die without you. We have somehow managed this far without you, and I doubt very much that we won't continue long after you've left.

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Indeed. You're not the only person to have (or have had) a copy of FS2 up for download. HotU, Game Warden, and numerous others have copies of FS2 up, and it's unlikely that things will go down if Freespacezone gets busted.


Damn you bunch can be unappreciative at times. DW-Hunter says he's making a stand to keep the game up for download so that people who want to play can get it and this is the attitude he gets?

Sure he's not the only site but he is one of them. If they've found freespacezone then it's not going to be that hard to find the others. Hell register here under assumed name and I'd fight with each each other to be the first one to name them all :)



@Hunter Good on you for taking the risk. Just be polite if :v: have anything to say on the matter themselves though. I don't give a damn what Interplay say but I'd rather keep :v: happy with the community. Unlike Interplay we do owe them. They did go to the effort of giving us the source code and who knows, if they ever stumble across their high poly models in a dusty cupboard somewhere they might be nice enough to give some of them out too.
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Offline Flipside

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I agree with Kara here, it's your choice whether to host it or not, and it's kind of you to offer, but be aware of the contents of that Email when you do. You might do better putting it passworded and asking people to Email/PM you if they want access, that way you are, to a certain degree, attempting to remain within the constraints placed in the EULA. I think that would be considered as at least a nod in the direction of both companies?

As for the rest, I haven't had to lock a thread here yet, and I don't want to have to, partly because that would mean I would have to figure out how, so knock it off :p

 

Offline Mongoose

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I'll second the request of being very cordial with :v:.  I think I can safely say that everyone here has a good deal of respect for them, and we don't want something to turn them against us when they've been so generous to the community in the past.  That password protection might be something to suggest.  If worst comes to worst, taking it down isn't the end of the world; the HOTU version is still up, and all of the files necessary to upgrade it to the retail version are floating around.

 

Offline Nuclear1

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Originally posted by karajorma
Damn you bunch can be unappreciative at times. DW-Hunter says he's making a stand to keep the game up for download so that people who want to play can get it and this is the attitude he gets?


Good point. Sorry, Hunter, don't know what happened to me there--keep it up, and hopefully this will turn out well for FSZone. :)
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 

Offline Unknown Target

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I'm not against what he's doing, nor unnappreciative - in fact, I applaud it. It's just the general attitude that he's displayed that I'm snippy about.
Nevertheless, best of luck Hunter :)

 

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Offline Nuclear1

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And that's all that matters. :)
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 
I relize that my site isnt the only one, but, i do get A LOT of hits, even when its not working. Passwording might be a good idea and I do understand your position on volition, staying on their good side, im only trying to get the game to people that want it, im working on getting a server with unlimited bandwidth, so we wont have that problem, but i will work on getting it passworded, or posibly making it only availble through FTP. I appreciate your appologies and I hope this doesnt turn into a bad conflict between interplay and volition.

 

Offline Charismatic

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Why dont they just spill the beans about their plans for the series. As many have said, its a dying or dead gener, but i think it would hit off big. Being as good as the series was, and its good rep., i think it would make it quite well. Interplay, sell the FS rights already!

EDIT: I will stay loyal to FS2 forever. Il be the last one to ever fly, if worst comes to worst, even if everyone else stops flying eventually. I will be the last and final pilot.
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Offline Nuclear1

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Originally posted by Charismatic
Why dont they just spill the beans about their plans for the series. As many have said, its a dying or dead gener, but i think it would hit off big. Being as good as the series was, and its good rep., i think it would make it quite well. Interplay, sell the FS rights already!


Because our plans of what do with the series tends to spark more creativity than a set plan by the developers. Honestly, if the community was aware of :v:'s plans, then I see some projects conforming to the storyline, rather than showing the kind of diversity in creativity that we've had so far.

The problem with having too much information is that it tends to limit what we can do with the series. Too much canon restricts what people think of after Capella; just look at what we have so far: we've got the return of a Shivan Lucifer (Derelict), the opening of Sol to an unfriendly armada (Inferno), and countless other stories of how the community thinks things go post-Capella.

If :v: wants to release their plans, they can go ahead, since it is their right to. I just don't want to feel limited in any way on how campaigns can tell their own differing post-Capella stories.
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 

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I don't really see how :v: releasing what would have happened in a FS3 would necessarily limit modders in any way.  What the FREDders and modders have been able to accomplish regarding post-Capella campaigns is based on their own interpretations of what would have happened after the events of FS2.  The release of what would have been FS3 doesn't change that fact.  I wasn't around in this community during the FS1 days, but I'd imagine that there were a fair share of campaigns describing what happened FS1.  When FS2 arrived, did those campaigns somehow lose their worth or meaning if they were radically different from FS2?  If they did, I don't think they should have; they were examples of people's own creativity at work without any extra information.  In my mind, the release of data about FS3 would have the same impact; it wouldn't prevent people from continuing of what they saw as the FS series' future, nor would it make their campaigns any less meaningful.  Depending on how creative the released information was, it could also give some new ammo for future campaigns.

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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If :V: released their plans, we'd probably end up with numberous disagreements over the execution of the campaign, and it'd end up never getting finished.

That's being pessimistic though.
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