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Economic Improvement
Sorry to bother the calm waters of HLP, but, here is a news flash: awesome economy improvements, since people thought it sucked so bad last time.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040604/dcf033_1.html

http://www.investors.com/breakingnews.asp?journalid=21504191&brk=1

http://www.madison.com/captimes/business/stories/75686.php

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040604-114118-9410r

I know there will be controversy put on this topic while I'm gone... :doubt: I heard a economic burst news source come from watching the news.

...but Admins and Mods, try and NOT lock it before I get back. Last time I posted and didnt come back until a day later the topic was 4 pages long, already burning from flames, and locked. Try and keep under control people...

I think that since Bush has "dropped the ball" in Iraq, his recognition for economic achievment has gone unnoticed. All this heat being spread about "torturing prisoners" by putting underwear on their head, etc, has escalated into all forms of left and right wing news. Frankly, the plan should be simple:

Terrorists Rights: You have a right to recieve a bullet to the head. When you became a terrorist your forfeited your rights and therefor, deserve to be shot.

Nevermind that, discuss the economy, I'm sure there will still be some people out there who say "ITS ALL FAKE! OMGWTF IT SUCKS! YOUR LYING!" Well then I have to say to you people, up yours.

  

Offline Rictor

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Re: Economic Improvement
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Terrorists Rights: You have a right to recieve a bullet to the head. When you became a terrorist your forfeited your rights and therefor, deserve to be shot.


I'll try to comment on the economic policy later, but to be honest I know less about that that say, foreign policy, since it doesn't affect the world much. But I just had to respond to this...

First of all, what you are saying flies in the face of every legal system on Earth, including your own. "You have no rights"? Bull****, even Hitler had right. No one can have their basic human rights taken away. That means, even if sentenced to death, they have the right to see their family, the right not to be abused by prison guards, the right to decent food, water and shelter. The right practice their religion, the right to speak to the press, the right to have their case reviwed should new evidence come to light. You get the idea.

Secondly, who determines who is a terr'rist? That must be decided by an impartial court, not arbitrarily by the President. And unlike past instances, the alleged terr'rists must actually be alllowed to have a decent defence. No more pulling "its national secuirty" crap, since it by far diminishes the ability of the defendant to establish his innocence. Make the trial open to the public, anyone can call whatever witnesses they want, and no government documents are off limits. And then, by all means, if he/she if found guilty in a respectable court of law, they can be punished appropriatly.

 

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Well in all fairness Tin, your last topic was a load of horse pucky...



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Cept the fact that the one guy, and another, rushed in to defend me on the end, when it was closed. I thanked them with a PM...

Regardless, if anyone is captured by a terrorist, you are, and should be, considered dead. Terrorists have no remorse and you are cannon fodder to them. So, you know what? I would save us some trouble and give the scum-sucking sons a *****es a bullet to the head. They are cowards and jackals, and deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth... which is what we are trying to do. "Smoke em out of their hole and get em on the run!"

OMG America is an evil nation! They saw off peoples head and we make them wear underwear on their heads! OMG we are so bad!

 

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Could you maybe try answering the legitimate arguements people bring up in a mature manner? Please? I'm not trying to insult you, but what you just said it the exact same thing you said in your opening post, only worded differently. You have to back it up with something better than "cause I say so".

Also, when you say the terrorists have no remorse, how could you possibly know this? How many terrorists have you talked to? Are you yourself a terrorsist? How do you know this? And why do you think you can apply the same trait to a group of people who are composed of so many different nationalities, religons, genders and upbringings. Surely, not all terrorists think alike.

 
How do I know, because I am sick of hearing reports of terrorists constantly executing everyone they find.

"Well someone went missing and they are now found dead"

Did you know they killed a 10 year old child, alongside a bunch of other people? I find that not having any remourse.

 

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Did you know the US bombings killed children, lots of them. And the occupation has killed many more. And the sanctions. And yet, the soliers and pilots and commanders are not remoreless, at least I assume you don't think so. Do you believe they should be shot? Come up with something better. And in any case, each person is different. You can't say all terrorists do this or all terrorists think that. Doesn't work.

And you still haven't responded to my first post, or any of the issues with your arguements. Please do that.

 

Offline Deepblue

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I'm sorry Rictor, your absolutely off the wall on this one. Although I try to look at things through an unbiased view, terrorists, by their nature, forfeit humanity when they sink to doing inhuman things (which is why they are called terrorists).
Oh and terrorists are anyone who induces terror upon a people in order to have power over them or convince them to a certain viewpoint. As far as the children dying in Iraq because of bombings, it is quite a tragedy but it is not a purposeful act. While terrorists target women/children, bombs are indescriminate and the people launching them are trying to hit terrorist targets, NOT civilians on the side which the things we call terrorists enjoy hiding behind.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2004, 09:38:01 pm by 944 »

 


Oh look at the posts, we are already off subject.

But to answer the questions: "Are you a terrorist?", "how many terrorists have you met?", well let me ask you: Are YOU a terrorist? How many terrorists have YOU met? Think about it... :doubt:
« Last Edit: June 04, 2004, 09:48:27 pm by 1718 »

 

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Hey I love that guy!

 

Offline Reez

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the difference between a terrorist and a soldier.

A terrorist blows up a building with a car bomb

A soldier drops a bomb on a building from a plane, and does a better job of destroying it.


Finances. That's really the difference.

 
Terrorists have an intent and are ordered to kill without mercy...

Soldiers are told to kill the terrorists at all costs...

 

Offline Grey Wolf

Back on the economic subject: A small economic upturn does not end the economic decline that's been going on for nearly 40 years.
You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say "Why not?" -George Bernard Shaw

 
It has been actually going up since Clinton was out of office, if you havent watched the news or looked at the papers or internet sources...

 

Offline Grey Wolf

Tin Can, you realize that the economy can basically be graphed as a sine wave. It drops and rises.

The thing is, we've been screwed for years in this country. IIRC, we're actually making less on average than they were 30 years ago when you adjust for inflation. The economy lost its basis. The current outsourcing stint is just one symptom of the problem. It just isn't worth it to base a company in the United States at the current time.
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Terrorists have an intent and are ordered to kill without mercy...

Soldiers are told to kill the terrorists at all costs...


:lol: you've just added an argument to Rictor's side :lol:

The terrorist title can be put to any number of situations... you cannot simply say terrorists think this way and they can't think any other way. If so the French Resistance during WW2 could easily be considered a terrorist cell... and a lot of other resistance movements...
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Offline Rictor

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Who cares about intent, the result is what matters. You can't deny the statistics. Around 5 times more civilians have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq then died in the WTC attacks. 5 times more. 5 times more. Lets say that once more for effect. 5 times more. And still, my points have not been addresed.

But I'll drop it there. You guys can discuss the economy, we've been over this before.

 
Economy will always be influenced by the president, the people, the government, anyone. The economy itself cannot just rise and fall at its own discression without a reason: its not a living being, its influenced by its people, and the president that can pass certain restrictions or benifits to it. Example, Jimmy Carter absolutely screwing over the economy during his time, and having it come back up when Ragen came into office.

 

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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
How do I know, because I am sick of hearing reports of terrorists constantly executing everyone they find.

"Well someone went missing and they are now found dead"

Did you know they killed a 10 year old child, alongside a bunch of other people? I find that not having any remourse.

And if captured, should and will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law...international and national.  And quite frankly it doesn't matter what the enemy is doing...the western nations have setup a code of law and refined that code for a hundred or more years (more in most cases).  Its not perfect but there's no reason to dramatically change them either.  They have served in the past and can serve in the future.  Dropping to their level isn't an option as far as I'm concerned.

You should also read up on past history like WWII and try and steer clear of a bit of hipocracy.  This stuff has been done before by virtually all of the western nations and it makes what the terrorists have done look paltry in comparison.  Doesn't make it right but it does put it into perspective.
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