[StratComm]

I hate automatic features (Though I'll confess to using Optimize to help make LODs occasionally).  In all seriousness though, I never find them to be much help unless I'm creating messy models in the first place.

EDIT: Ok, first and foremost: the greebling on the guns has to go.  I know it looks nice from really close up, but you're using about 10x or more the number of polys that you need in that region.  That level of detail will never show up in-game.  You've also still got a lot of very small polygons that are either near-planer with those around them or are breaking up edges unnecessarily; I didn't go over the whole thing with a microscope (and .3ds is too crappy a format for that anyway) but I noticed a lot of wasted polys around the cockpit area and the missile tubes, specifically where you've got indentations that almost go all the way across a surface but not quite, and you've got extra vertices hanging around.  These faces are really small - they won't get a single pixel in-game - but they are butchering your polycount.  There are some other optimizations, but Galemp can probably point them out better than I can.

[OverKill]

Is there a possibility to release 2 versions of this craft?

one that shoots lasers from its arms and missles from the pod like in the fs1/2 intro
and the second like in the game?

i always thought that the intro version manticore that is shooting from its arms is way cooler

of course the armshooting version should fire from every slot   maybe a configuration like the myrmidon has
ad to this cycling shivan primary lasers and whoohoo

[WMCoolmon]

All that's easily done with ModelView assuming DB ever releases the POF.

[pecenipicek]

hrrrm... well... DaBrain, i like the model actually, it really looks great

altough, i know i'm repeating somebody, but you really got some truly wasted poly's in some places. if you dont mind i'd like to give it a try to optimize the model

[DaBrain]

That would be awesome.

I'm busy with SoL atm, cause we're working with a deadline.

Oh and thanks, I surprised myself. It looked really nice. Like... someone else worked on it.

[pecenipicek]

ROFL!

well, as the apocalypse project took me in today, i'll see what can i do sometime later. well, i got 3 weeks of school-free time, so might as well get some stuff done

[OverKill]

All that's easily done with ModelView assuming DB ever releases the POF.

yeah for someone that knows how to do things in this program
but for example i have never ever seen this program so this could be a bit harder for me

[karajorma]

With instructions you could do it in 2-3 minutes. All you have to do is swap round 2 pieces of data. You wouldn't need to reconvert the model or anything.

[OverKill]

i`ve done it and played some qucik missions, i tell you its two times better (for me) then the vanilla model
when i see a manticore blaze its six cannons of light lasers all cycling ( 2 slots like in the myrmidon) it looks "wheeeee"
i does hit less but with the amount of guns (2x2 and 2x4) this fighter now has its no problem ill post some screenies later if you want

[pecenipicek]

i`ve done it and played some qucik missions, i tell you its two times better (for me) then the vanilla model
when i see a manticore blaze its six cannons of light lasers all cycling ( 2 slots like in the myrmidon) it looks "wheeeee"
i does hit less but with the amount of guns (2x2 and 2x4) this fighter now has its no problem ill post some screenies later if you want

uhhh, for gameplay reasons i think that cant be done

[karajorma]

It can't ever be an official mod. Overkill is perfectly at rights to unbalance his own copy though

[OverKill]

why not? the horus interceptor has a similar distance between its gunpoints
those fighters hit but just with lasers from one arm usually
and unbalance in what way? i think the fighters is only a little less effective right now then before

[WMCoolmon]

Any campaign that uses Manticores for enemys would get easier...they're already pretty crappy anyways.

[pecenipicek]

karajorma, true

WMC, aye, even if we glued one of those large scope thingy's to it, it couldnt hit s*it

[karajorma]

Any campaign that uses Manticores for enemys would get easier...they're already pretty crappy anyways.

Exactly. Overkill can release the ship if he wants so that others can use it but if it changes the balance it can't go in the media.vps.

[OverKill]

just one thing i never ever said to replace the manticore with the modified gunpoints version
i only said it would be nice to release two versions
so in fred we could choose from:

SF Manticore
SF Manticore

•    

x:= Intro,Old,modified...,etc.

so if someone would like a more "fluffy by the intro" version of this ship it could be easyli added to a mission without looking for a pof file/mod

i can edit the final model if you want

[Cobra]

i've already edited the original manticore.

i released it some time ago, but it's not on any of my hosting spaces nor do i even have it any more...

[BlackDove]

Thought I'd put that here as far as texture is concerned, that's a good shot for measure

[DaBrain]

I want that texture!

Was there a high-res texture on the FS1 DVD?

[Taristin]

LS used the higher res ones when he went over them... so they should be in the shie and etc maps already... bt if you want, I can get it out.