[Pegasus V]

• When will we send a manned expedition to Mars?
• Will we make a Lunar Base before or after a manned expedition to Mars? And when?
• When will we make first contact?
• When will we achieve (regular) interstellar travel? What kind of interstellar device/engine will we use?
• When will we mine asteroids?
• When will we create a fusion power station/engine? Will we mine Jupiter/Saturn for Deuterium (for Fusion engines)?
• If we encounter another sentient intelligent species, do you think we should make first contact wth them regardless of what technology/civilisation stage that they are in? Like pre-warp, pre-industrial, colonial, post-bronze, etc. You know, like a prime directive (Star Trek).

So, what are your thoughts?


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[Blue Lion]

• When will we send a manned expedition to Mars?--yes
• Will we make a Lunar Base before or after a manned expedition to Mars? And when?--yes,30 years or so
• When will we make first contact?--dunno
• When will we achieve (regular) interstellar travel? What kind of interstellar device/engine will we use?--dunno
• When will we mine asteroids?--yes
• When will we create a fusion power station/engine? Will we mine Jupiter/Saturn for Deuterium (for Fusion engines)?--probably
• If we encounter another sentient intelligent species, do you think we should make first contact wth them regardless of what technology/civilisation stage that they are in? Like pre-warp, pre-industrial, colonial, post-bronze, etc. You know, like a prime directive (Star Trek).--yes

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[Pegasus V]

My personal opion of the answers to my questions are:

I believe that we won't go to Mars before we build a Lunar Base. I think we will get started on a Lunar base around the mid 2010's and go to Mars around the 2060 mark.

I think we will begin mining asteroids shortly after that. I think that Earth resources will start to disappear around the 2050's, so I think we will begin mining asteroids around the 2060-70's.

I think we will achieve interstellar travel at the turn of the century. It will be some kind of subspace travel, similar to FS. A couple of decades after that, I think we will encounter a new sentient intelligent species and make first contact.

Fusion power would probably be developed shortly after we begin to mine asteroids in my opinion. And I think we will 'mine' Jupiter for deuterium.

I like the idea of a Prime Directive. I believe that we should not make contact with another sentient intelligent species that are before the post-industrial stage or something similar. I think it would have terrible implications on their society and just rip it from its foundries.

[Pegasus V]

 

Originally posted by Blue Lion:

• When will we send a manned expedition to Mars?--yes

etc, etc, etc

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I said when not will.

But thanks for your response.

[Blue Lion]

 2018 is when NASA has one planned

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[Pegasus V]

 

Originally posted by Blue Lion:
2018 is when NASA has one planned

I've never heard of this. Do you have a link to evidence?

[Jabu]

NASA says they'll have a man on Mars about 2020 or something. This is a few years before a moon base is constructed.

First contact will come sometime around the next century, I'm assuming. Or not, it could take anything up to thousands of years, depending on if any kind of effective interstellar travel is possible.

Asteroid mining I can see happening in the next 100 years or so. A few decades after decent fusion-powered spaceships.

If we meet a sentient species that is so low-tech they can't detect us and don't have space capabilities, observation is the key. No matter what Star Trek tells you, there are NOT thousands of alien races in this galaxy. It's a pretty rare occurence.

[NegspectahDek]

 

Originally posted by Jabu:
If we meet a sentient species that is so low-tech they can't detect us and don't have space capabilities, observation is the key. No matter what Star Trek tells you, there are NOT thousands of alien races in this galaxy. It's a pretty rare occurence.

you know this how?

[NegspectahDek]

-manned mission to Mars sometime after 2050
-moonbase comes before mars because going to mars without materials from the moon is extremely expensive
-1st contact will happen when aliens comes to us or we go to them
-interstellar travel will become available through 2 routes, we invent it or aliens bring us the technology
- depends on which kind of asteriods.  the near earth variety i can see in about 20 years(the amount of time needed for me to get my company going) and the main belt after a base on mars has been established,
-i've read somewhere that commercial fusion is about 30-50 years off
-a prime directive is a nice thought, but we're human.  raping, maining, killing, and exploitation is wht we do best.  Just look at Africa, the americas, austrailia, colonialism as a whole.  In that respect Star Trek is way off.  Human nature is human nature, not some hapy go lucky we-are-the-world-we-are-the-galaxy BS.  the last movie Insurrection was probably the most realistic character wise

[Pegasus V]

 

Originally posted by NegspectahDek:
-a prime directive is a nice thought, but we're human.  raping, maining, killing, and exploitation is wht we do best.  Just look at Africa, the americas, austrailia, colonialism as a whole.

That's correct... But, what's wrong with Australia?

[NegspectahDek]

aborigines

not faulting you, but the fact that you didn't know speaks to what i was saying too

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[Jabu]

 

Originally posted by NegspectahDek:
you know this how?

Educated guess.
Some estimates place the amount of sentient species in this galaxy at as low as 15. Even the highest scientific estimates I've seen are somewhere around 500-600.

[Setekh]

Sentient species - if they're anything like us, they'll be divided by the time they are able to get into space or contact us.  

[NegspectahDek]

 

Originally posted by Jabu:
Educated guess.
Some estimates place the amount of sentient species in this galaxy at as low as 15. Even the highest scientific estimates I've seen are somewhere around 500-600.

you sounded certain enough to put it in bold before, mow its just an educated guess?

[Blue Lion]

 All of this is based off of educated guesses. You can't possibly say for sure when anything will happen.

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[Jabu]

 

Originally posted by NegspectahDek:
you sounded certain enough to put it in bold before, mow its just an educated guess?

Evidence shows it to be likely, thus it's more true than any other guess. I am very certain I am right, but until all of the galaxy is charted, I can't know.

[NegspectahDek]

 

Originally posted by Jabu:
Evidence shows it to be likely, thus it's more true than any other guess. I am very certain I am right, but until all of the galaxy is charted, I can't know.

just curious, what evidence?

[Jabu]

 

Originally posted by NegspectahDek:

just curious, what evidence?

Ooh, got me there. The 'evidence has shown' bit was pretty much just an echo of a quote.
 
'Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true
rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has
always astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save
us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of
evidence to the contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest
of doubts. God has not been proven not to exist, therefore
he must exist.'

From Alpha Centauri, actually. I've been using it a lot and somehow it's made it's way into my subconcious  

Okay, there's no evidence. Just educated guesses by really smart people. Based on the estimated amount of habitable planets.

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[Pegasus V]

 

Originally posted by NegspectahDek:
aborigines

not faulting you, but the fact that you didn't know speaks to what i was saying too.

What's wrong with aborigines? If you're regarding the colonial take-over of Australia then that was 200+ years ago with which we (current Australia) didn't have any involvement with.

[NegspectahDek]

 

Originally posted by Pegasus V:
What's wrong with aborigines? If you're regarding the colonial take-over of Australia then that was 200+ years ago with which we (current Australia) didn't have any involvement with.

they're second class citizens in a country that used to belong to them.  i dunno about you but i see something wrong with that



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