[Setekh]

 

Originally posted by Tar-Palantir:
Maybe Commands mother gave birth to 20 children, all indentical who all join the GTVA? Would have been quite a shock to her when the they all kept poping out.

Could be that...   Or a GTVA Avatar, like Hub from the Culture series.

[Darkage]

 

Originally posted by Tar-Palantir:
Maybe Commands mother gave birth to 20 children, all indentical who all join the GTVA? Would have been quite a shock to her when the they all kept poping out.

As regards to the gas miner problem, the Lucifer had conventional (in FS-terms) reactors, so why can't the rest of the Shivans? It is a game afterall, and if V wish to say the Shivans have gas miners to power their ships, why can't they?

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Originally posted by Tar-Palantir:
[BAs regards to the gas miner problem, the Lucifer had conventional (in FS-terms) reactors, so why can't the rest of the Shivans? It is a game afterall, and if V wish to say the Shivans have gas miners to power their ships, why can't they?


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coz as far as I know, the lucifer is the only capship with shields. So maybe it needs another kind of engines to power them (maybe regular capships uses subspace tap engines, but we knows subspace interfers with shields, so that could be why the lucifer uses regular reactors instead).
And where did you read V said the shivans had gasminers to power their ships?
here the tbl entry, the only known fact about the Rahu:
"Almost nothing is known of the Rahu line of gas miners. It is assumed that they function in much the same way as our Zephyrus miners, funneling nebular gas into internal machinery that fractionates it into its molecular components for further processing. Rahu miners are armed with heavy laser turrets, so care must be taken when attacking them"
I point the fact opn: "almost nothing is known" and "it is assumed" Which proves that we knows, in fact nothing about it.

[vadar_1]

kinda like what darkage said, it was probably to rally as many ships as possible to the attack on Capella.

and that scary black guy probably sits behind you as your copilot or something, because Terrans dont have communication devices that enable them to communicate with other systems. If they did, they could still communicate with earth.

which brings me to my final point, if there ever was an fs3, the shocker could be that the Shivans could still use the SOL jump node, and they could have destroyed earth or something without us even knowing it.

[karajorma]

 

Originally posted by vadar_1:
and that scary black guy probably sits behind you as your copilot or something, because Terrans dont have communication devices that enable them to communicate with other systems. If they did, they could still communicate with earth.

Your logic is pretty flawed. First all messages from the guy are from command not co-pilot.
 Secondly most of the fighters are one seater craft.
 Third why would command send a politcal officer along with every fighter or squad leader. Remember that the black guy makes several command decisions throught the campaign (Classifying Kappa 3's outburst etc.)
Lastly Interstellar communication could involve jump nodes, with the node gone they couldn`t communicate to Earth.

[Nico]

 

Originally posted by karajorma:
Lastly Interstellar communication could involve jump nodes, with the node gone they couldn`t communicate to Earth.

ok: remove the "could" and bingo! i think it's explained in the techroom, and at least they said they knew the mission against the luci was a success thanx to the last transmissions sent through the node before it collapsed.

[karajorma]

Which raises an interesting point. If a signal is sent through a node there probably will be something picking up the signal and re-sending it through the next node until it arrives at it's destination.
 This raises several possibilities.

1) Would it be possible to spy on message by evesdroping at a relay point?

2) Would it be possible to destroy a relay point and cut a system off from command? Probably most systems have more than one to prevent that happening.

3) How big is a node transmitter? My guess is too big (or too expensive) for fighter. (IIRC command doesn`t send a single order during Into The Lion's Den). I'd guess that every capship has one though.

4) How do you prevent the enemy from using your transmitters?

5) Can the system be set to transmit or recieve only (in other words can someone claim that it was broken and use that as a defence for not following commands orders?)

In my campaign I`ve been toying with having the comms system having important repercussions on the plot line

[Setekh]

 

Really, really good ideas, guys...  

[karajorma]

If the shivans are relaying communications in the same way then that is probably what the comm nodes were for.

 To relay communications between the nebula beyond Gamma draconis and the systems deeper in shivan space the shivans would have to either leave a ship there permanently or set up a relay on an installation.
 However at no point during the campaign do we ever see a shivan installation. Maybe they don't build them. Maybe they only build them in the "safe" systems deep in shivan space.
 If freespace 2.9 is corect the shivans build dyson spheres. Maybe they don't build anything further out cause they've still got space in the core systems.
 
 So since the shivans didn`t want to leave a cruiser in every system just to act as a relay point they invented the comm nodes.

What's also interesting is that the comm node is unarmed. Apart from cargo cases it is the only unarmed shivan construct we've ever seem.
 I suspect that the shivans never expected the Terrans would ever penetrate that far into their space.

[an0n]

Okay so maybe the comm nodes were there as part of the Bosch-Shivan communication thing. But as said somewhere above, we never find out what they are anyway. If they were just there to be exotic and mysterious then why does FRED2 say they're comm nodes? Why not just 'unknown shivan device'? If they were supposed to be communications devices then Snipes shoulda said they were giving off a signal.

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[karajorma]

 

Originally posted by an0n:
Okay so maybe the comm nodes were there as part of the Bosch-Shivan communication thing.

I very much doubt they were anything to do with Bosch. Between first contact and them taking him away I get the impression that less than a day passed (and probably a lot less).
 Too much time to build one of those things let alone three of them.

[an0n]

Not if you've got nine Saths to drop them in system.

Anyhow, who says that Bosch had only been in contact with them for a day? The GTVA only knew about it for a day but Bosch could have established some rudementary communications weeks before.

[karajorma]

A fair point. I still think that they aren`t to do with Bosch but it's conceivable.
 The question is why are they in that system rather than the one where Bosch makes contact with the shivans. Seems a bit of a strange idea. Build the comm nodes. Drag them into a system that Bosch isn`t in. Transport Bosch to that system but have him leave very shortly afterwards.
 And why THREE comm nodes?

[joek]

 

Originally posted by karajorma:
... And why THREE comm nodes?

Ah... an even bigger mystery. Do Shivans do everything in threes? Nope, probably not that. Do they need three to triangulate a signal? Maybe, but they were all in the same plane. Could it be that   wanted to give you three of the things to blow up? Most likely.  

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[aldo_14]

More importantly, where else are the comm nodes deployed?  In every Shivan system?  Or nearby a Knossos?

Could the comm node be intended to control the Knossos device?

(after all, they must have been able to unlock them to get into the nebula that led to Gamma Draconis)

[Nico]

 

Originally posted by aldo_14:
More importantly, where else are the comm nodes deployed?  In every Shivan system?  Or nearby a Knossos?

Could the comm node be intended to control the Knossos device?

(after all, they must have been able to unlock them to get into the nebula that led to Gamma Draconis)

there was no comnode in the nebulae  
I don't think the shivan built such big things just to communicate with a puny human, plus we could do that with a simple PC, shivans are not retarded to make a huge thing like that just to translate a language: no, they let Bosh do that (remember, the ETAC is made for that   )

[Crazy_Ivan80]

 

Originally posted by venom2506:
there was no comnode in the nebulae  

not one that we could see *wink wink nudge nudge*

[Ace]

coz as far as I know, the lucifer is the only capship with shields. So maybe it needs another kind of engines to power them (maybe regular capships uses subspace tap engines, but we knows subspace interfers with shields, so that could be why the lucifer uses regular reactors instead).

That's also my take on it, but the idea was shot down in a certain MONKEY thread here on HLP because a few people were yelling that just because the other Shivan ships don't use shields, it doesn't mean that they could be using sub-space taps, so obviously the Rahus can't be the logistic support for Lucifers or fighters. (some people have serious logic lapses   )

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[Setekh]

 

Originally posted by joek:
Do Shivans do everything in threes? Nope, probably not that. Do they need three to triangulate a signal? Maybe, but they were all in the same plane. Could it be that   wanted to give you three of the things to blow up? Most likely.  

I like your logic.  

[Nico]

 

Originally posted by Ace:
coz as far as I know, the lucifer is the only capship with shields. So maybe it needs another kind of engines to power them (maybe regular capships uses subspace tap engines, but we knows subspace interfers with shields, so that could be why the lucifer uses regular reactors instead).

That's also my take on it, but the idea was shot down in a certain MONKEY thread here on HLP because a few people were yelling that just because the other Shivan ships don't use shields, it doesn't mean that they could be using sub-space taps, so obviously the Rahus can't be the logistic support for Lucifers or fighters. (some people have serious logic lapses     )

Only thing, I never assumed the rahus was the logistic support for anything. People wants a gazminer to refuel ships. terrans do that, vasudans do that, fine. Why would shivans do that? No need to reply, it has already been done in another thread.