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Offline vyper

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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around
In good Glasgow venacular - he's bammin ye up.
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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around you?
Depression is caused by a chemical in-ballance in the brain.  :nervous:

That seems to me to be a fair assement.  :D
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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around you?
Correct, clinical depression is a physical illness, it's quite common and is caused by an imbalance of various hormones. This is often bought on by stress and anxiety.

It's not particular of attention whores, you'll notice how many of you are saying that the people who commited suicide didn't seem like the 'type', not full of self pity or wanting to be noticed at the time.

As for this whole 'get a grip' bull****, I love the way people who have never had to deal with depression in their lives actually become all whiny about depressives 'being all whiny'. I hope you can see that for the Hyprocisy it is. Yes, there is a certain amount of 'getting a grip' involved, but when you cannot even motivate yourself to believe you have worth, that going out and improving your life for yourself is worth the effort.

To say people who commit suicide in some way 'deserve' it is complete bollocks, I've had a friend jump in front of a train, and another one who gassed himself in a car, it was stupid, it hurt a lot of people, but under no circumstances do I think my friends deserved to kill themselves.

But then, what are you lot without you little soap-boxes? Aren't we all doing exactly the same thing, demanding our 5 minutes. Just stop putting different people in convenient boxes for 5 ****ing minutes will you?

 

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When I say "attention whore" I am speaking of the person that leaves the little "I can't take it anymore" note and leaves their family and friends to feel guilty which then results in more depressed people.  I mean if your going to kill yourself at least make it look like an accident or don't do it at all.
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Offline Kosh

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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around you?
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I totally disagree with you.

That doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.


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Your the only one that can bring yourself out of a depressed state, and pills only hide your problems and don't fix them. The only way to get yourself out of a depressed state is to go out and do something you enjoy and eventually you realise that being depressed is kinda pointless.


You have no ****ing idea what it is like to have clinical depression, do you? It isn't something you can control.


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Offline Janos

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Suicide should be a fundamental human right, as well as right to die with dignity.

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Offline Flipside

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Meh, suicide isn't a right, it's not a way of ending physcial pain and humiliation as with 'assisted suicide', it's only ever turned to by people who truly believe that their mental anguish is similar.

People who are depressed enough to suicide need help, but this whole attitude of 'Pull yourself together' as displayed by those who have less of an idea about depression means that the moment someone says they are feeling suicidal they just exactly the same attitude, as though somehow it's their fault they are depressed and unable to comply. That attitude has done more to damage and hurt people suffering from depression than anything else, as though depression were somehow a sign of being 'not a man' by admitting the world is a bit too much sometimes.

It's far that reason that a lot of people suffer in silence from depression, afraid to mention it to their mates for fear of recieving the kind of ridicule they have just recieved from certain people in here. By not seeking help early, they actually make matters worse and end up suiciding without warning.

Now, you tell me, who's attitude is hurting whom?

 

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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around you?
You have no ****ing idea what it is like to have clinical depression, do you? It isn't something you can control.
Yeah, just like alcoholism, drug addiction, smoking, sex-mania.....


It's a bull**** excuse for people who want to absolve themselves of any responsibility for the piss-poor state of their life.
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Offline Flipside

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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around you?
Sure, sure, people turn to alcohol and it ****s up their lives, that happens, that's why alcohol and niccotine are called 'addictive' drugs,

However, a lot of people turn to drink or drugs after they have hit a low, seeking a way out using those first then turning to other means. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make any of it 'right', but simply attacking or insulting them because you percieve them as 'less' than you is pretty insecure behaviour for a start.

I'm sure there are things about your life you would change which are not your fault or responsibility, but you still have to suffer the effects of it, does that mean that whenever you complain, you are full of bull**** too?

 

Offline aldo_14

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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around
When I say "attention whore" I am speaking of the person that leaves the little "I can't take it anymore" note and leaves their family and friends to feel guilty which then results in more depressed people. I mean if your going to kill yourself at least make it look like an accident or don't do it at all.

Have you even read a single thing I or other have written about the 'cry for help' usage of suicide by the clinically depressed?  The note is designed to be found after the attempt fails.  Again, it is not a rational decision made just to die - in this context (excluding other reasons like terminal illness) - but an irrational one, often without understanding the actual issue of death.

I can't speak for your father, but when my friend was depressed it took a lot of effort to cure him.  I never found out till after he had been released from hospital, but even then he found it hard to do the most basic things, like just go down the shops.  And the suggestion it could be cured by a click of the fingers seems absolute nonsense; you said your dad was depressed for ' '95-'97 plus years before my birth (early 80's)', which alone shows it is not a simple cure nor an attention seeking syndrome.

@Styxx; compassion - or lack of it - would be a major factor in discouraging mentally ill (i.e. clinically depressed) people to seek treatment.  By attaching a false 'whiny' stigma to it, it attaches a feeling of shame in seeking help or admitting to the condition.  It is in some ways akin to how HIV positive people can be discouraged from admitting their illness due to their being blamed.

Also, as far as scientology goes; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

@anon: addiction is also a neurochemical effect, IIRC caused by the dopamine producing effects of drugs, alcohol, etc.  If someone is already within the stages of depression, then they'd be far less likely to be able to rationally make the choice to drink, inhale, whatever.  For alcoholism in particular, it's been suggested that the CHRM2 (related to a type of cellular receptor in the brain) gene can have a role in predisposing someone to both depression and alcoholism.  Research has indicated that alcoholics often have a past history of depression, which is then worsened by alcoholism.

Both depression and addiction are regarded as chronic relapsing diseases, which can be tied down to neurochemical action.  A particular link between the two is that a number of addictive substances (like morphine) act to stimulate a specific neuroreceptor that can have an antidepressant effect.  In some senses akin to self medication, except that the initial anti-depressent effect of addictive drugs is short-lasting (and eventually results in changes to the brain that cause the addiction).

 

Offline Kosh

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It's a bull**** excuse for people who want to absolve themselves of any responsibility for the piss-poor state of their life.


I have clinical depression.
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Offline Flipside

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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around you?
As do I, and I certainly hope I don't whine about the state of my life, iirc, I very rarely even mention my life.

 

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Sure, sure, people turn to alcohol and it ****s up their lives, that happens, that's why alcohol and niccotine are called 'addictive' drugs,
Alcohol is, was and never will be described as an 'addictive' drug.

And nicotine addiction is about as tough as a caffeine addiction. You stop taking it, you feel ****ty, but it won't physically harm you in any way - so the only real addiction is psychological. Thus, I don't consider is a real addiction.


I'm sure there are things about your life you would change which are not your fault or responsibility, but you still have to suffer the effects of it, does that mean that whenever you complain, you are full of bull**** too?

No, whenever I complain it's because some asshole has made my life harder. Teachers, parents, siblings.....

I have no addictions. I have no 'bad' habits. All the bad things in my life are all there simply because I either like having them there, or don't care enough to remove them. But there is nothing I value to such an extent that I would go digging through the trash at 3am to retrieve it.

People with addictions are just whiney little *****es who think if they ***** and moan and call it an addiction and try to make it sound like it's something beyond their control, that they can do whatever the **** they like.

Alcoholics don't drink because they have to drink, they drink because they like drinking. Then when they're sober they cry their little eyes out because they regret all the ****ty things they did while drunk, but not quite enough to stop ****ing drinking. Just because you'd rather be drunk than a good parent doesn't mean you've got an addiction, it means you're an irresponsible, selfish asshole.
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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around you?
As do I, and I certainly hope I don't whine about the state of my life, iirc, I very rarely even mention my life.

Which makes you sad and quiet - not depressed.

The annoying thing about 'depression' is the 'cures'. They say being depressed makes you lethargic and ****, and that going on all those stupid activity weekends and getting out more will help alleviate the depression. But it's that being lethargic and doing ****-all makes you bored, which in turns makes you 'depressed'.

Do **** that's fun, and it magically cures your depression. Who'd've guessed?
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Offline Flipside

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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around you?
Exactly, as I said on Warpstorm, you sit at home depressed because all you ever do is sit at home depressed ;) Vicious circle.

It's kinda hard to describe the lethargy you get when suffering from depression really, it's not simply a question of 'can't be bothered'. Lately it's been the telephone that I can't be bothered with, can't be bothered to answer it, can't be bothered to call people on it. Also doing **** that's fun is great, it's finding **** that you actually can get enjoyment from that is hard.

Edit : Problem is with help groups etc, is that you know what the bastards are up to, trying to jolly you along etc, and I have a natural '**** you' tendency that the moment someone starts trying to be nice and supportive to me I don't want to know, I've always believed that I need to shake depression myself, else I haven't truly got rid of it.
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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around you?
I have clinical depression, and I can agree with the idea that it is most often self-imposed.  True there are people who are feeling depressed no matter what is happening in their lives, but that accounts for a very small percentage of depression cases.  Those ones need plenty more than just a pill.  The chunk of clinical depression comes with extended periods of insufficient stimuli.  In a way, it's like diabetes; if you don't digest enough sugars, hypoglycemic diabetes may come from it.  The only way to repair the damage that was done is simplified in two words...  Do something!

The proper solution for cases like this is to do something with your life.  The lack of stimuli that will cause depression is doing the same damn thing, every day of your life.  Working with computers is one of my favorite things, but I once became so bored with it, that I didn't care about anything at all, whether it had to do with computers or not.  A week long vacation snapped me out of it. 

If something different happens, your brain will react to it.  It's just simple logic.  And an0n, nicotine and alchohol addiction does develop physical dependancies.  Sure, not as depending as heroine, but certainly is more than none at all (read: THC).
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Offline Flipside

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Oh, I agree with you fully Scuddie, I've spent months sitting in front of the computer and not got one thing in TI done, which makes me all the more depressed. A change of scenery is required. I'm unemployed atm, which means money is low, but time is plentiful, it's just getting the energy/motivation together to make that step and actually do it.

  

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And an0n, nicotine and alchohol addiction does develop physical dependancies. Sure, not as depending as heroine, but certainly is more than none at all (read: THC).
If you're going to get all pissy about definitions, then I've got a water addiction.

And in no way does alcohol use create an addiction of any physical kind. The only suspect one would be insomnia as a result of withdrawl - but that's more a case of it having rotted your brain than a chemical dependency. Calling that a symptom of addiction would be like calling falling over a symptom of withdrawl from your addiction to having legs.

Also, if it's removal doesn't cause death, paralysis or a coma - it's not an addiction. If you can have a nicotine addiction, I can have a tasty-cake addiction.
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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around you?
well, yeah, you can by all means be addicted to tasty-cakes. or at least the sugar in 'em. mental addictions are chemical addictions too.
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Re: What do you do when everything crashes around you?
To those here who think willpower can solve all your problems:

Supposing someone stuck a red-hot poker up your behinds. You don't have to scream. I'm quite certain there are people out there who have enough willpower not to scream in such a situation.

Do you :)?