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Offline Ransom

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #60 on: December 12, 2005, 04:35:31 pm
SMF is much less efficient than vBulletin so that may be why. Although I'm fairly sure it was at least a bit faster than this before the second move.
 

Offline kode

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #61 on: December 12, 2005, 05:40:10 pm
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Offline Fury

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #62 on: December 13, 2005, 01:37:24 am
Quote from: Ransom Arceihn on December 12, 2005, 04:35:31 pm
Although I'm fairly sure it was at least a bit faster than this before the second move.
That's funny because I'm sure HLP is now faster than ever for me, including the old vB forums at Gamespy.
 

Offline Flipside

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #63 on: December 13, 2005, 01:38:57 am
I'm not having any real problems, even at it's worst I only had to wait one or two seconds for the page to load, certainly not worth worrying about at least :)
 

Offline Ransom

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #64 on: December 13, 2005, 08:05:25 am
Takes about one or two seconds to load each post for me.
 

Offline Fury

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #65 on: December 15, 2005, 04:47:09 am
Like I mentioned in Hosted Sites Support Forum, I am not going to do any more server-side tweaking until we're running SMF 1.1. However, those who are experiencing forum slowness, I would like to get ping statistics from you.

As there's probably always one who doesn't know how to do this, here's guide for Windows.
1. Open Start > Run.
2. Type: "cmd" or "command" and click ok.
2. In command prompt, type: "ping 85.8.136.169" without quotation marks, and hit enter.
3. Click command prompt window with secondary mouse button, select mark.
4. Paint ping information area while holding down your primary mouse button, then release and click the painted area with secondary mouse button.
5. Paste copied text to forum post. Use quotes please. Example below.
6. Also mention where you are from; country and state (where applicable). You don't need to say what city you're from, but it could help if we need to approach our host with this information.

Quote
Pinging 85.8.136.169 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=51
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=51
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=51
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=51

Ping statistics for 85.8.136.169:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 43ms, Maximum = 44ms, Average = 43ms
« Last Edit: December 15, 2005, 04:50:29 am by Mr. Fury »
 

Offline Col. Fishguts

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #66 on: December 15, 2005, 04:56:59 am
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64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=31.3 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=31.0 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=30.9 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=4 ttl=50 time=30.3 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=5 ttl=50 time=30.6 ms

From our pretty fast connection at our uni (Zurich, Switzerland)

Although pages load post after post, which is a tad slower than it was HLP 2.0
But it's comfortable now.
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Offline vyper

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #67 on: December 15, 2005, 05:14:04 am
Code: [Select]
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=58
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=58
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=58
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=58

Ping statistics for 85.8.136.169:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 32ms, Maximum = 33ms, Average = 32ms
UK, Glasgow. On a 1Mbps connection (although my provider wanadoo claims this is impossible and I'm at 512, I can show you screen dumps of my router running at 1152kbps).
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Offline Spicious

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #68 on: December 15, 2005, 05:31:22 am
Quote
Pinging 85.8.136.169 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=333ms TTL=45
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=310ms TTL=45
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=342ms TTL=42
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=310ms TTL=45

Ping statistics for 85.8.136.169:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 310ms, Maximum = 342ms, Average = 323ms
From Sydney, Australia. Supposedly up to 10Mbps.
 

Offline Stealth

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #69 on: December 15, 2005, 07:52:31 am
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=106ms TTL=50
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=117ms TTL=50
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=50
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=50

from a T1?
 

Offline kasperl

Re: The Second Move
Reply #70 on: December 15, 2005, 09:50:20 am
20ms, Cable, Holland.

Generally I've got a better ping to London than to Amsterdam, though. Odd, eh?

And the pages are rather slow, it seems more of a bandwidth then a pingtime thing. Make a PHP page that outputs 1MB of ****, and a  bit of HTML forwarding you without wait to another page. Make sure page 1 tacks on the timestamp it started running with the link to page 2. Then let page 2 do $Loading=$_REQUEST['Time']-time(); echo($Loading).

Let a few people do that, and compare results.
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Offline Goober5000

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #71 on: December 15, 2005, 04:25:47 pm
Quote
Pinging 85.8.136.169 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=82ms TTL=126
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=126
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=126
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=89ms TTL=126

Ping statistics for 85.8.136.169:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 78ms, Maximum = 89ms, Average = 81ms

This is from work in Arlington, VA.  Apartment is even slower.
 

Offline Hippo

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #72 on: December 15, 2005, 04:37:25 pm
Pinging 85.8.136.169 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=86ms TTL=52
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=88ms TTL=52
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=87ms TTL=52
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=86ms TTL=52

Ping statistics for 85.8.136.169:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 86ms, Maximum = 88ms, Average = 86ms
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Offline Fury

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #73 on: December 16, 2005, 03:05:10 am
Looks like those who have been complaining about poor forum performance, also have high pings when pinging the server. So it has nothing to do with the forums or apache. Most likely explanation is that there is a bottleneck, or several somewhere between the high pingers and the server.

Stealth: you did not say where you live.
Goober: where the heck is Arlington, VA?
Hippo: you did not say where you live either.

As for bandwidth, the server's connected to a gigabit backbone from tier 1 providers, so I very much doubt bandwidth is an issue here.
 

Offline Hippo

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #74 on: December 16, 2005, 05:48:31 am
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Offline Sandwich

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #75 on: December 16, 2005, 07:43:03 am
Quote from: Mr. Fury on December 16, 2005, 03:05:10 am
Looks like those who have been complaining about poor forum performance, also have high pings when pinging the server. So it has nothing to do with the forums or apache. Most likely explanation is that there is a bottleneck, or several somewhere between the high pingers and the server.

Stealth: you did not say where you live.
Goober: where the heck is Arlington, VA?
Hippo: you did not say where you live either.

As for bandwidth, the server's connected to a gigabit backbone from tier 1 providers, so I very much doubt bandwidth is an issue here.

Stealth is is Texas, USA, IIRC. VA = Virginia, which is the east coast of the USA. And Hippo's MA is Massachusetts (sp?), also east coast USA.
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Offline Clave

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #76 on: December 16, 2005, 07:59:43 am
Quote
Ping has started ...

PING 85.8.136.169 (85.8.136.169): 56 data bytes

--- 85.8.136.169 ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss

Umm... :doubt:

Now @ home:

Quote
Ping has started ...

PING 85.8.136.169 (85.8.136.169): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=24.986 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=33.353 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=31.705 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=19.248 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=14.43 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=5 ttl=55 time=16.582 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=6 ttl=55 time=22.887 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=7 ttl=55 time=22.34 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=8 ttl=55 time=14.389 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=9 ttl=55 time=14.31 ms

--- 85.8.136.169 ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 14.31/21.423/33.353 ms

There seems to be a slight difference....  :eek2:
« Last Edit: December 16, 2005, 02:56:29 pm by Clave »
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Offline Sandwich

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #77 on: December 16, 2005, 08:07:33 am
Are the forums noticably faster for people now?
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

Offline Ransom

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #78 on: December 16, 2005, 08:27:21 am
Yes, much better.
 

Offline vyper

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Re: The Second Move
Reply #79 on: December 16, 2005, 09:01:31 am
Indeed.
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