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All in all, I think Peter Jackson ruined Narnia. :nod:

:wtf: Peter Jackson had nothing to do with the movie, AFAIK.

I haven't gotten around to seeing it yet, mostly for the reasons that I thought it would be too much of a kiddie movie. I guess I ought to see it sometime soon.
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All in all, I think Peter Jackson ruined Narnia. :nod:

:wtf: Peter Jackson had nothing to do with the movie, AFAIK.

Exactly. He did such an amazing job with LOTR that nobody could have met the newly raised expectations of the public. Hence, Peter Jackson ruined Narnia. :D
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And finally, they left out the best line of the whole book! "Is he safe?" "Ho ho! Safe? No, of course he's not safe! But he's Good."

What what what?!! That sucks! :(

Also (flicks open book), I believe the quote is "Who said anything about safe? 'Course he isn't safe. But he's good. He's the King, I tell you." Not sure about where you got the "ho ho" from. :D
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Well excuuuuuuuuuuse me! :p
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I'm an atheist and I didn't give **** about the oh-so-hyped Christian messages. I really enjoyed the film and was glad they weren't savagely raping my childhood with red-hot pitchforks.

Pros:
- felt like the book
- I was happy
- Extremely well produced
- Lucy is kawaii

Cons.
- The Stupid Animu MegaEyes Fox
- Edmund is gay
lol wtf

 

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Just watched it. I hate to say it, since I really wanted to like it, but I didn't really like it that much. :( It was Disney, so there was no blood whatsoever, which took away a bunch of the feel of "realism", if you will. The opening sequence reminded me of Sky Captain type effects. The actress for the White Witch sucked. Liam Neeson may have been good for the gentle part of Aslan's voice, but it needed to be around an octave deeper. The dwarf was laughable, and my bro actually burst out laughing when he got shot by Susan. Made the whole theater laugh. Edmund's loyalties were far too flimsy. There was no feel of depth to anything at all - no connection between the audience and any of the characters. And finally, they left out the best line of the whole book! "Is he safe?" "Ho ho! Safe? No, of course he's not safe! But he's Good."

It suffered from modern-day Star Wars-itis. The effects were all very nearly seamless (a couple of strange mismatched lighting moments, but nothing too bad). At least it didn't have the feel of Episodes 1-3, that they were made around the effects. It was definitely made according to the books, but I fear it adhered to them to strictly. Many times, I felt, "Wow, they're at THIS point already??", while the whole general feel of the beginning of the movie was that it wasn't moving along.

A good, perhaps great, kids movie. Nothing spectacular.

All in all, I think Peter Jackson ruined Narnia. :nod:
I don't think I could disagree with you more. :p I just saw it two days ago, and I think it's the best movie I've seen since ROTK, hands-down.  In fact, I'd put it just about even with the LOTR trilogy.  I don't know how you didn't like the White Witch's actress; I thought she did a brilliant job.  She played a perfectly coldhearted *****.  Considering that the books, and by derivation the movies, were made for children (I first read them at the age of 7 or so myself), I thought the lack of blood was entirely appropriate.  Even without the blood, that battle sequence gave me a feeling I haven't felt since Helm's Deep or the Pelennor Fields, that of utter awe at the cinematic majesty that was unfolding before me.  I think the dwarf was meant to be laughable; he came off as comic relief in the book, and besides, Lewis's dwarves were far more lawn-gnome-ish than Tolkien's hardened warriors.  I laughed when he died, too, but I thought it was entirely appropriate.  I had always pictured Aslan as having a voice very similar to James Earl Jones's, but I thought that Liam Neeson was absolutely brilliant; he had such a genuine warmth and kindness that he lent to the character.  He played it about as far from Qui-Gon or Batman Begins as you can get, and for that I'm grateful; I think he pretty much nailed the part.  I thought that Edmund played his part very well; looking back at the book, he wasn't even sure of his own loyalties until after he spoke with Aslan.  That aspect of confusion in his own mind fit the character perfectly.  The special effects were amazing; I swear that Aslan was portrayed by a real lion and not CGI.  WETA are absolute masters at what they do. :) I felt that no other adaptation could get as close to the books, both in story and in spirit, as this did; I had tears in my eyes during
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Aslan's execution scene
and again at
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his resurrection
I felt such a great sense of depth and emotion from the film.  The release of the next one can't come soon enough for me, and I hope to God they follow through until all seven are completed.  If anyone hasn't seen this yet and is thinking about it, then by all means, get out there as soon as you can and see it.  Easily the best movie of 2005 (although, admittedly, I haven't seen King Kong yet), and definitely the best I've seen since LOTR.

P.S.  As for that line, I barely even remembered it from the book. :p In my opinion, the best line was, "He's not a tame lion," and I was immensely pleased that they snuck it in at the end. :)
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Re: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
P.S.  As for that line, I barely even remembered it from the book. :p In my opinion, the best line was, "He's not a tame lion," and I was immensely pleased that they snuck it in at the end. :)

As we disagree on so many points, I'm not going to argue them; I'm glad you liked the movie. :) I just want to respond to this line you brought up: Did anything in the movie - anything at all - indicate that the character they made Aslan out to be was anything but, in fact, a tame lion? I think that was the part I was most disappointed in, that Aslan wasn't this fearsome being whose first moment on-screen was so awe-some that none of the other characters could bear to look upon him, as it was portrayed in the books. Instead, they all kneel down nice and reverent-like, Aslan emerges, and they talk to him as if nothing extraordinary just took place - nevermind the whole aspect that they didn't know, until he came out of the tent, that he was a lion, and not a human or whatever!
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Sorry for the week's bumpage, but I've been too lazy to bother reading all of the posts over the past few days.  (Granted, that means that the load just gets bigger when I finally get back here, but what can you do? :p)  Anyways, when I read the books, I never really had the impression of Aslan as a completely awesome being, at least not all of the time.  That's how he was portrayed during The Magician's Nephew, particularly during the creation sequence.  However, in The Lion Etc. (:p), I thought he came across as a character on a much more human level.  It's been a few months since I last read them, so I don't exactly remember how the children reacted when first meeting him, but I do know that, later on at least, Susan and Lucy interacted with him on a much more personable level, both leading up to the Stone Table and in the Witch's castle, just as was portrayed in the film.  Remember, in the book, after the Stone Table scene, he was rolling and running around with Susan and Lucy; it was one of the scenes I've always loved the most in the story. :) Also, during Prince Caspian, Aslan shows a very similar side to Lucy during their journey to Aslan's Howe, and again during and after the battle.  I thought the movie portrayal went very well overall.  To close, regarding your initial question, I think the scene of him leaping at the Witch during the battle, which all but had me leaping out of my seat in the excitement of the moment, banished any image of "tameness" that may have arisen in my mind. :)  I never associated his lack of tameness entirely with his majesty or fearsomeness, but rather with the fact that he was controlled by no one and came and went as he pleased.