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Offline Ace

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But... but Clinton is so much eviler than teh Hitlars! Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and my pastor told me so!
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I would have taken out Kennedy during the CMC so we'd have nuclear war - and would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those pesky kids!  Too bad that <CENSORED BY THE THOUGHT POLICE> got to him a year too late.
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Yeah. Cause if you were going to use a time machine to remove a politician from office, Clinton would be the one to choose :rolleyes:

Yeah. Managing the economy sensibly like that... Bastard.
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Yeah. Cause if you were going to use a time machine to remove a politician from office, Clinton would be the one to choose :rolleyes:

Yeah. Managing the economy sensibly like that... Bastard.


Not to mention the audacity to actually run a *gasp* budget surplus.
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"had ties to prominent members of the Republican Party and some Democrats"

Some Democrats? Hell the list of donees is filled with members of both parties.

What's funny is how this guy absolutely fleeced some of his clients (the tribes mostly).

 

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Well, Clinton lied in a taped deposition involving a sexual harassment case. So, yeah, he should have been removed from office. YES, the following impeachment was politically motivated. But so is the current case against Tom Delay. As per "running the economy," he should also give him credit for the following recession, which started toward the end of his presidency. And yes, Bush is also partially culpable as well since he was in charge for the rest of it. But, hey, following the logic giving Clinton credit. The recent economic indicators suggest that the economy is doing better and therefore it must be a result of Bush's economic policies :wtf: Even IF Clinton were the best president ever, that doesn't excuse flagrant disregaurd for the law. I can go and care for the poor my whole life, that doesn't excuse me robbing a bank or breaking any other law.

But... but Clinton is so much eviler than teh Hitlars! Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and my pastor told me so!
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Offline Deepblue

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Actually he's more base. *ha ha*

 

Offline redmenace

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Yeah, I get the feeling that he is not a very happy person in real life.
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Abramoff had ties to prominent members of the Republican Party and some Democrats are also implicated.

Damn dirty liberals!
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Offline NGTM-1R

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How do you know it isn't made up?

So the witnesses to the fact she left with him are all lying? And she was placed already drowned in that car?
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Even IF Clinton were the best president ever, that doesn't excuse flagrant disregaurd for the law. I can go and care for the poor my whole life, that doesn't excuse me robbing a bank or breaking any other law.

That's the best you can do? He lied in a case? To prevent his wife finding out about an affair. He must be the worst president ever!!!!11111

Don't get me wrong. I think Clinton was a wanker. He's a politician and they're all wankers and they probably should all be in jail for the illegal **** they pull while in charge of the country but for you to say that Clinton was the US president most in need of being deposed shows that you do have an obvious love for the Republican party despite your claims to hate both of them equally. Anyone speaking on the matter from an unbiased point of view would have picked another name.
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Offline aldo_14

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"had ties to prominent members of the Republican Party and some Democrats"

Some Democrats? Hell the list of donees is filled with members of both parties.

What's funny is how this guy absolutely fleeced some of his clients (the tribes mostly).

Oh christ, don't tell me you're preparing to launch into this 'liberal media bias!!111one' pish again.

 

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Even IF Clinton were the best president ever, that doesn't excuse flagrant disregaurd for the law. I can go and care for the poor my whole life, that doesn't excuse me robbing a bank or breaking any other law.

That's the best you can do? He lied in a case? To prevent his wife finding out about an affair. He must be the worst president ever!!!!11111

Don't get me wrong. I think Clinton was a wanker. He's a politician and they're all wankers and they probably should all be in jail for the illegal **** they pull while in charge of the country but for you to say that Clinton was the US president most in need of being deposed shows that you do have an obvious love for the Republican party despite your claims to hate both of them equally. Anyone speaking on the matter from an unbiased point of view would have picked another name.
I picked that name because it was most recent. Also, purgery is a VERY serious crime. Taking the oath to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth is very serious and shouldn't be violated. And honestly, you assume too much about Clinton. Meaning this behaviour had been going on for years. I am not sure why, all the sudden, he started to be concerned about his family is questionable at best. And as I said before, the reason Clinton came to mind was the recency effect. Would you like me to replace that with the name LBJ or JFK? I would say more, but I have to go to work.
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Offline aldo_14

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What has shagging an intern got to do with competency running the country, anyways?  I mean, shouldn't you be jumping on the back of, I dunno, a president that authorised illegal wiretaps and soforth?  That'd seem not only more related to running the actual country, but more urgent and concerning.

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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What has shagging an intern got to do with competency running the country, anyways?  I mean, shouldn't you be jumping on the back of, I dunno, a president that authorised illegal wiretaps and soforth?  That'd seem not only more related to running the actual country, but more urgent and concerning.

The obvious answer is, because the President must know something that leads him to believe that wiretapping will help stop the spread of terrorism.
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Offline aldo_14

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The obvious answer is, because the President must know something that leads him to believe that wiretapping will help stop the spread of terrorism.

Then why didn't he put it to court judgement - what are they hiding there?  I thought the whole US system was supposed to be set up to stop the government acting in such a dictatorial way, to stop it from being able to arbitrarily watch its own citizens?  Or is this one of those 'any sin in (quote-unquote) "wartime" ' setups?

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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Well, after that, I'm guessing the reason would be because the people that're the supposed targets of such action (the Terrorists, if you will) would then be able to take action to circumvent it (ie communicate more via mail, try to obtain information on what key phrases and such trigger additional surveillance, come up with better codes for phone communication) whereas by keeping the project in the dark, it would lure such suspected terrorists into a false sense of security and prevent them from taking such measures.

And of course if you then expose those methods in an open trial, to implicate one particular terrorist, then you make circumvention of those same methods easier by others with motive to avoid the surveillance.

All of it makes sense from a law enforcement view. In a way, it's one of those moral questions - is it worth it to break into someone's house if there's the possibility of saving a life? I can probably think hard enough to come up with some tough dilemma, but I think the deal here is that you're faced with a conflict of possibly saving an unknown number of lives while opening civil rights for everyone up to an unknown number of abuses, or possibly securing that unknown number of rights for everyone while sacrificing that unknwon number of lives. And as long as the government doesn't suspect you of anything, and you fit in with society, you don't have anything to fear.

Perhaps you have to suffer some inconveniences from additonal security checks - but what's a few minutes' time? After all, sacrifices have to be made for freedom. If you're dead, it's kind of hard to enjoy your freedom...and the US has one of the higher standards of living in the world.
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Offline redmenace

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Because, according to the NSA, it takes up to an hour to get a wire tap approval and the NSA was stating that they needed to be able to do this on a moments notice. They still need courts approval for domestic to domestic phone calls and emails.

In regaurds to Clinton, it has nothing to do with running the country, but has to do with the fact the law applies to us all, including our leaders. People constantly make the mistake of confusing the issue with sex which it is not. The issue was that he committed serious crimes.
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Because, according to the NSA, it takes up to an hour to get a wire tap approval and the NSA was stating that they needed to be able to do this on a moments notice. They still need courts approval for domestic to domestic phone calls and emails.

So the NSA gets carte blanche to spy on US citizens without having to justify it to anyone?  Because it says it needs to?  I mean, what do you (or the NSA) think judicial oversight is for?  ****s and giggles?

In regaurds to Clinton, it has nothing to do with running the country, but has to do with the fact the law applies to us all, including our leaders. People constantly make the mistake of confusing the issue with sex which it is not. The issue was that he committed serious crimes.


What law did he actually break, though?  Because he was aquitted of lying and obstructing justice by the Senate.  And why the **** did it ever matter?  What's important about it?  He shagged an intern (well, not technically shagged....)...so?  How does this affect his capability to run the nation?  I mean, you'll hold an enquiry about shoving a cigar in some tarts snatch, but not about bombing a Sudanese penicillin factory?