[Turnsky]

i was just wondering, with the advent of the SCP, and the High poly models, would we soon be seeing revised cinematics to match/surpass the quality models and textures used with the updated models, effects, etc?.

[Taristin]

The cutscenes?

[Turnsky]

The cutscenes?

yes, that's what one generally means when "cinematics" are referred.
'cuz as it stands now, the engine exceeds the look of the cutscenes used

[FireCrack]

I dont think we have the models to remake any cutscen in full anyways, but a few are close, like the FS1 endgame and the FS2 intro.

[Turnsky]

I dont think we have the models to remake any cutscen in full anyways, but a few are close, like the FS1 endgame and the FS2 intro.

well, judging by the FS2 cutscenes, the original models from the game itself were used, the first freespace, however, is another issue.. them's nice models even now.

[Black Wolf]

Err...

I'm going to go with "No".

Making a decent High poly model seems to take most people upwards of one month. I'd suspect remaking most of the cutscenes would take upwards of a year, moreso on some o fthe more complex ones. (Hallfight... )

[FireCrack]

I dont think we have the models to remake any cutscen in full anyways, but a few are close, like the FS1 endgame and the FS2 intro.

well, judging by the FS2 cutscenes, the original models from the game itself were used, the first freespace, however, is another issue.. them's nice models even now.

The FS1 endgame used ingame models, except the lucy, but VA's still looks better. NAd the explosion decals are kinda borked on that one.


I dont think thered be any reason to redo hallfight.

[Ransom]

No real reason to in my opinion. They still look good today and I doubt any improvement that could be made on them would be significant enough to justify remaking them.

[aldo_14]

Err...

I'm going to go with "No".

Making a decent High poly model seems to take most people upwards of one month. I'd suspect remaking most of the cutscenes would take upwards of a year, moreso on some o fthe more complex ones. (Hallfight... )

I remember reading one of the V employees describing the cutscenes as taking 12-18 man-months to do.

[Turnsky]

Err...

I'm going to go with "No".

Making a decent High poly model seems to take most people upwards of one month. I'd suspect remaking most of the cutscenes would take upwards of a year, moreso on some o fthe more complex ones. (Hallfight... )

I remember reading one of the V employees describing the cutscenes as taking 12-18 man-months to do.

yegad, that throws that idea out the window.
woulda been nice, tho.

[pecenipicek]

i have to argue for the cinematics, there are only few minor problems with making them.

lets start with the stuff needed for a cinematic.
-models - we've got most of them thanks to all the HTL'ers
-textures - look above
-most effects - look above
-backgrounds - look above
-creating animations- not that hard to do if you have something to base it off...
-creating most of the effects missing for an animation(beams, engines, stuff like that, defining particles and such...) - not really hard to do.

we have most of the things we need. its simply a matter of arranging it all. but, i agree, 6 months at the minimum for getting it all together.

we shall see in the end, if one of the more enthusiastic 3D artists here decide to tackle with it. i'd love to, but my animation skills are 0 and when school starts i dont know if  i'll even have time for normal doing my normal 3d stuff

[aldo_14]

i have to argue for the cinematics, there are only few minor problems with making them.

lets start with the stuff needed for a cinematic.
-models - we've got most of them thanks to all the HTL'ers
-textures - look above
-most effects - look above
-backgrounds - look above
-creating animations- not that hard to do if you have something to base it off...
-creating most of the effects missing for an animation(beams, engines, stuff like that, defining particles and such...) - not really hard to do.

we have most of the things we need. its simply a matter of arranging it all. but, i agree, 6 months at the minimum for getting it all together.

we shall see in the end, if one of the more enthusiastic 3D artists here decide to tackle with it. i'd love to, but my animation skills are 0 and when school starts i dont know if i'll even have time for normal doing my normal 3d stuff

Um, no offense or owt, but if your animation skills are zero, how would you know about the difficulty of animating anything, let alone what would have to be a professional quality piece of cgi?

It's not just plonking down a set of left-right movement keyframes, after all.  Especially not for when it comes to anything involving rigging models.......

[knn]

How about remaking just parts? E.g. the Hallfight doesn't have much ship action in it, but we could remake the beginning and leave the rest. FS1 endgame is a completely different thing, we have all or most of the models, all we'd have to do would be the background and the effects. The hardest part would be redoing all the ship/camera movement.
Then there's Colossus. It'd be cool to see a version with the HTL C. Just have to change the parts where the ship model appears, and possibly the beginning with the fleet (Inferno has a cbanim like that, not hard to do).
Would be cool but a lot of work too

[aldo_14]

I thought the beginning of Hallfight was pretty bloody nice, myself.  Tres atmospheric.

[pecenipicek]

none taken aldo

i tried to animate a few things myself in cinema 4D, its just the problem that the way i'd try to animate it, it'd take a year at least

if we go by cinema 4D, you dont have an excuse to actually animate keyframe by keyframe

knn, spot on.

also, as for hallfight, is it me, or is it the cinematic with most detail in the ships that appear there if only for a brief moment

[kv1at3485]

If it wasn't for the nebula and lightning, Bosch's third monologue wouldn't be so bad for a remake.

[aldo_14]

none taken aldo

i tried to animate a few things myself in cinema 4D, its just the problem that the way i'd try to animate it, it'd take a year at least

if we go by cinema 4D, you dont have an excuse to actually animate keyframe by keyframe

knn, spot on.

also, as for hallfight, is it me, or is it the cinematic with most detail in the ships that appear there if only for a brief moment

I think Hallfight has the best lighting rather than detail; IIRC it uses light+dark contrast pretty heavily - combined with the higher resolution bumpmaps et al for the stock models, it has the best effect, although I don't think there are higher poly models there.  Albiet I could be wrong; I know at the very least there was a high poly Typhon, which AFAIK only occurs in one of the Silent Threat hidden anis.

[knn]

If it wasn't for the nebula and lightning, Bosch's third monologue wouldn't be so bad for a remake.

Actually, remaking it ingame (the ship flying through nebula part) would be easier, now that we have ingame cutscene sexps

[pecenipicek]

wasnt the third monologue with them being chased by a ravana or?

[Flipside]

To be honest, I wouldn't touch the cinematics with a barge pole. That's one of those projects that would open you up and swallow you whole, even with more modern technology.

If people DID want to take on cinematics, then I'd recommend leaving it till the very very last thing you look at, else other, quite frankly, more important stuff will fall by the wayside. This is from experience