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Offline WeatherOp

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Yep, the end is near, whether the fact that game systems are becoming too pricey or that I posted a game topic. :p

The analists put out their first thoughts on the PS3 today, $399 to $699. And the saddest part about it is that people would pay $700 bucks for a gaming system. The highest I would pay for a gaming system is $200, and it would have to impress me quite a bit.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142242.html
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Offline aldo_14

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$699!  That would surely spell death.  Hell, $399 is a gigantic gamble, especially if the xbox360 goes down in price (although I did read a report that an IBM insider put the manufacturing cost of that at about $700).  The question would surely be - will the PS3 win the DVD format war for Blu-ray, or will Blu-ray lose the console war for the PS3?
« Last Edit: January 11, 2006, 06:23:25 pm by aldo_14 »

 

Offline Deepblue

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*grumbles*

M$ was smart to not put an inbuilt HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive in the 360. I sense serious conflict before the issue is resolved.

And I really doubt $699 would be right. The hardware is comparable to the 360s with the only major cost difference being a lack of HD and the inclusion of a Blu-ray drive.

Then again, that inclusion could push prices up, with the cheapest standalone Blu-ray players coming out at $1000 compared to $400 HD-DVD players.

I predict $500.

 

Offline BlackDove

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I predict the 700 for the special cases in Japan.

It's a hell of a buisness move, because the Japanese can afford, are crazy enough and will buy it, I'd bet, it's a very good and strong market just there. Nobody there could give a **** about the Xbox no matter what the price is, but for another Playstation and the "Sony Mania", I can see it.

But I'd never buy anything that costs 700. Not even if it was uber rare special MEGA DEATH MACHINE PS3. Then again I wouldn't buy anything that costs 300-400 either. 200-250 max for me, which means I'll have to wait for prices to drop anyway.

 

Offline Deepblue

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If it was $700 it would go down in flames in the US and EU markets. Hell, a lot of people complain about the X360 being too expensive (which it currently is :p).

 

Offline aldo_14

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I predict the 700 for the special cases in Japan.

It's a hell of a buisness move, because the Japanese can afford, are crazy enough and will buy it, I'd bet, it's a very good and strong market just there. Nobody there could give a **** about the Xbox no matter what the price is, but for another Playstation and the "Sony Mania", I can see it.

But I'd never buy anything that costs 700. Not even if it was uber rare special MEGA DEATH MACHINE PS3. Then again I wouldn't buy anything that costs 300-400 either. 200-250 max for me, which means I'll have to wait for prices to drop anyway.

'cept the PS3 will be competing with the Rev in Japan anyways.  Granted, the 2 are aiming for mainly different demographics (PS3; current gameplayers & mainly the 14-30 males, Rev; non-gameplayers, females & outside the Ps3 age brackets), but they'll still be an overlap.  Of course, the Japanese tend to be willing to buy more than one console if the games are right, IIRC, so it could be a moot point in any case.

 

Offline Deepblue

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Keep in mind that the Nintendo DS is absolutely killing each and every other console in Japan. The PS2 only had 2 games on the top sales list. The rest were DS titles.

 

Offline BlackDove

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If it was $700 it would go down in flames in the US and EU markets. Hell, a lot of people complain about the X360 being too expensive (which it currently is :p).

That's because the Xbox is a buggy console with no good games, so you're basically paying for a 400 dollar toaster as is. Naturally when Halo and all that **** arrives that people want, then it's a different story, and the machine will probably be worthwhile. Anyone with common sense evaded the trainwreck of features that were offered at release. Besides, price will go down by the time Halo and all that arrives I bet as well.

But PS3? Heh. The only reason - ONLY - reason Microsoft pushed the Xbox out a year earlier, is because they knew if they went head to head, Sony mania coupled with common sense would end them and their sales. It was a good move too, because they managed and still manage to sell a lot of units before their nemesis comes along - and in the end the sales will probably be equal, however I predict Sony taking the good ole lead anyway.

Seriously, just Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid are reason enough to pay 700. I know I'd search my shoes for the money, even though I wouldn't find anything. However most others (read Japanese) would, and I'm fairly certain a good amount of Americans and Europeans. And then when enough people buy for the ridiculous amount, scale your prices down to what the competition is working with.

Naturally a good thing to push it further would be the alternative cheaper "core" version too.

Revolution? Not too many good things I've got to say for it. It'll be third yet again. I just feel sorry for them. Everyone's going to grab a PS3 over Xbox or Xbox over Nintendo (except in japan probably).

My opinion anyway.

 

Offline Deepblue

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If it was $700 it would go down in flames in the US and EU markets. Hell, a lot of people complain about the X360 being too expensive (which it currently is :p).

That's because the Xbox is a buggy console with no good games, so you're basically paying for a 400 dollar toaster as is. Naturally when Halo and all that **** arrives that people want, then it's a different story, and the machine will probably be worthwhile. Anyone with common sense evaded the trainwreck of features that were offered at release. Besides, price will go down by the time Halo and all that arrives I bet as well.

But PS3? Heh. The only reason - ONLY - reason Microsoft pushed the Xbox out a year earlier, is because they knew if they went head to head, Sony mania coupled with common sense would end them and their sales. It was a good move too, because they managed and still manage to sell a lot of units before their nemesis comes along - and in the end the sales will probably be equal, however I predict Sony taking the good ole lead anyway.

Seriously, just Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid are reason enough to pay 700. I know I'd search my shoes for the money, even though I wouldn't find anything. However most others (read Japanese) would, and I'm fairly certain a good amount of Americans and Europeans. And then when enough people buy for the ridiculous amount, scale your prices down to what the competition is working with.

Naturally a good thing to push it further would be the alternative cheaper "core" version too.

Revolution? Not too many good things I've got to say for it. It'll be third yet again. I just feel sorry for them. Everyone's going to grab a PS3 over Xbox or Xbox over Nintendo (except in japan probably).

My opinion anyway.
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Offline Deepblue

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I hope you were talking about him...

"That's because the Xbox is a buggy console with no good games, so you're basically paying for a 400 dollar toaster as is."

"Seriously, just Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid are reason enough to pay 700."

 

Offline Mefustae

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Revolution? Not too many good things I've got to say for it. It'll be third yet again. I just feel sorry for them. Everyone's going to grab a PS3 over Xbox or Xbox over Nintendo (except in japan probably).

My opinion anyway.
Well, your opinion is wrong. Sorry to say it, but quite, quite wrong.  Price estimates based on what Big N have previously stated in regard to the Rev have put the revolutionary (:p) price tag from as low as US$200, to a staggaring US$80. Even if it is given a US$200 price-tag - around the highest estimated price Nintendo would ever charge for it - it would still be smaller than one third of the PS3's highest estimated price.

IMO, I believe Big N are going for a suppplementary angle, not only appealing to audiences outside the 18-30 Males demographic (Blue ocean concept), but aimed to not replace any console, but to supplement it. If you already have a '360, you could forgo getting two games and instead get a Rev for the same pricetag, which is damn good value if you ask me.

Of course, this sort of thing hasn't been attempted before on such a major scale, so only time will tell, but to count out the Rev so early is pure folly, and only evidence that you don't know what the f*** you're on about.

 

Offline Polpolion

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Sigh... I'm a n00b and don't have any gaming systems (besides PC. Of course, saying my computer is a gaming computer would be and insult to everything). I'm not allowed to buy any ( :( ), so I guess the highest I would buy a console for is $0. If I COULD buy one, probly no more than $150, because my little sister is always watching some crappy PBS plege drive/cartoons. When she's not, my dad is watching Everybodey Loves Raymond, My mom would be watching the news, my older brother watching some stupid movie about some weird dudes, and my older sister would be watching Anchorman again or something. Anyway, it wouldn't be worth it with our 36 inch glass screen no HD TV. (no, I'm not poor. My family just buys lots of computers. my mom has a laptop, my lil sister has one thats even worse than mine, my dad has one with 3 or 4 120 gig Hard drives, My older brother has a server computer, a gaming computer, and an old computer that I might be allowed to salvage some stuff off of, my older sister has a normal-everyday-nongamer-computer.)

*hopes I didn't get too much off-topic*

 

Offline BlackDove

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Revolution? Not too many good things I've got to say for it. It'll be third yet again. I just feel sorry for them. Everyone's going to grab a PS3 over Xbox or Xbox over Nintendo (except in japan probably).

My opinion anyway.
Well, your opinion is wrong. Sorry to say it, but quite, quite wrong.  Price estimates based on what Big N have previously stated in regard to the Rev have put the revolutionary (:p) price tag from as low as US$200, to a staggaring US$80. Even if it is given a US$200 price-tag - around the highest estimated price Nintendo would ever charge for it - it would still be smaller than one third of the PS3's highest estimated price.

IMO, I believe Big N are going for a suppplementary angle, not only appealing to audiences outside the 18-30 Males demographic (Blue ocean concept), but aimed to not replace any console, but to supplement it. If you already have a '360, you could forgo getting two games and instead get a Rev for the same pricetag, which is damn good value if you ask me.

Of course, this sort of thing hasn't been attempted before on such a major scale, so only time will tell, but to count out the Rev so early is pure folly, and only evidence that you don't know what the f*** you're on about.

No, I don't think so.

People will rather spend their money on Games, than on a system they rarely wish to use. Games are time. Let's face it, the minority are the diehard Nintendo fans, and even they (I was around, and have bought NES when it was new) willl most probably go for buying a game or two rather than the Rev when it comes down to consoles and choices.

I'm sorry, but the Revolution, even as a supplemental, still suffers the logical third place. Gamecube was significantly lower priced as well, but it still came in as a third console, and it could have been argued that it was supplemental for many people as well.

Thanks for the "don't know what the **** you're on about" comment though, that's really mature in a thread where we're basing our estimations on opinion and past track-record alone (well we know something about the 360 now that it's released, and that's that it's not worth any money...yet), considering none of us know what will actually happen.

  

Offline Mefustae

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Yeah, you got me, sorry about the 'don't know what the f*** what you're talking about', a temporary lapse in my otherwise stoic demeanor  :nervous:

But my point remains valid. The Rev is a completely new concept to the mainstream console market, and if the success of the Sony Eyetoy is anything to go by, the Rev's more active take on controlling gameplay should prove quite successful on a market quickly being dulled to the effects of 'OMG W3 GOt c00L Gr4phiCS!' If Nintendo's gamble is successful, and it can grab a hold of a wider demographic, and the ever-so-ellusive female demographic, the Rev should do quite well for itself. IMO of course :p.

And anyway, 'coming in third' as you put it doesn't really mean much. Sure, the GCN didn't seem to do nearly as well as the PS2 or Xbox360, but even with the cheaper price tag, Big N made the largest profit of that particular generation.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2006, 08:35:18 pm by Mefustae »

 

Offline BlackDove

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Yeah, you got me, sorry about the 'don't know what the f*** what you're talking about', a temporary lapse in my otherwise stoic demeanor  :nervous:

But my point remains valid. The Rev is a completely new concept to the mainstream console market, and if the success of the Sony Eyetoy is anything to go by, the Rev's more active take on controlling gameplay should prove quite successful on a market quickly being dulled to the effects of 'OMG W3 GOt c00L Gr4phiCS!' If Nintendo's gamble is successful, and it can grab a hold of a wider demographic, and the ever-so-ellusive female demographic, the Rev should do quite well for itself. IMO of course :p.

And anyway, 'coming in third' as you put it doesn't really mean much. Sure, the GCN didn't seem to do nearly as well as the PS2 or Xbox360, but even with the cheaper price tag, Big N made the largest profit of that particular generation.

Again, even if the profit part is true, I still feel sorry for them, like I said above.

They _will_ come in third again, because Microsoft and Sony are MONSTERS. Like someone said on another forum about Microsoft - which I think also goes for Sony to a degree:

"They are middlemen. Buisnessmen. Truly parasites."

The syndication agreements they'll have when it comes to games and compainies making them will overshadow Nintendo almost always, since they put their eggs in many baskets. The interest for gamers who like the most quality (not original games though sadly) out of their games, they'll go for the "killer apps" or games in this sense, which are at Xbox and PS3.

Nintendo is just simply not financially capable of taking the market, and they really never will be unless Microsoft and Sony go bankrupt. The pool for the worthwhile therefore goes to them. Nintendo can only be third, even though I agree with the disertation (sp err...) that someone wrote a while ago when they unveiled the controller which basically stated that they're truly the ONLY ones who are innovative.

Sadly however, I don't see BIG things happening for them. Xbox and PS3 in the end however, will make substantial billions which they'll invest in future suffocation of the market, like they do today.

 

Offline Ransom

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The Revolution is a really a different kind of console than the PS3 and 360. In my opinion saying it's going to come third is like saying a dishwasher is going to come third in a competition for kitchen sinks. Nintendo isn't even in the same war as Sony and Microsoft, they're aiming for quite a different market.

 

Offline BlackDove

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Yes... though I don't think we see it in the same context.

I see it as PS3 and Xbox being in a different leauge, but their league is the more worthwhile one to join, because of the money, and therefore time and quality and content involved.

Nintendo won't enjoy the same perks. It will have others, but they will fade to the big boys'. Sort of... my point.

Naturally tastes differ from person to person, but the big duo has more to offer for the general satisfaction (which PS2 and Xbox proved in comparison to GC - which I don't believe will change anytime soon).

 

Offline Mefustae

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Again, even if the profit part is true, I still feel sorry for them, like I said above.

They _will_ come in third again, because Microsoft and Sony are MONSTERS. Like someone said on another forum about Microsoft - which I think also goes for Sony to a degree:

"They are middlemen. Buisnessmen. Truly parasites."

The syndication agreements they'll have when it comes to games and compainies making them will overshadow Nintendo almost always, since they put their eggs in many baskets. The interest for gamers who like the most quality (not original games though sadly) out of their games, they'll go for the "killer apps" or games in this sense, which are at Xbox and PS3.

Nintendo is just simply not financially capable of taking the market, and they really never will be unless Microsoft and Sony go bankrupt. The pool for the worthwhile therefore goes to them. Nintendo can only be third, even though I agree with the disertation (sp err...) that someone wrote a while ago when they unveiled the controller which basically stated that they're truly the ONLY ones who are innovative.

Sadly however, I don't see BIG things happening for them. Xbox and PS3 in the end however, will make substantial billions which they'll invest in future suffocation of the market, like they do today.
How ironic, it would seem you know considerably more about what the f*** you're talking about than I do (:p), and on that note I conceed and agree in full with you, I honstly can't argue with anything you just wrote.

However, Ransom is right, the Rev shouldn't be counted as a direct competitor to the '360 and PS3. Think of the recent handheld releases as a microcosm of what the greater console market will soon bear witness to. Some of my mates are die-hard Sony fanbois, and as such - with the recent release of the PSP - had no qualms in talking s*** about the DS. To do that is pure ignorance, as the two are completely different; the DS is a dedicated handheld gaming system, while the PSP packs much more features in and rates gaming as a secondary concern (as shown by the substandard release of games for that particular platform). Respectively, both have done very well, but cannot possibly be direct competitors, as they are just too different. The exact same thing is going to happen with the up-coming Console Generation (I say 'upcoming' because the release of the '360 was so sub-standard that we haven't really seen the next-gen yet). *Takes cover in preperation of Deepblue's inevitable retort* :p

In line with this, the Rev aims to avoid the people that M$ & Sony are targetting (or warring over), the male 18-30s, and go for different groups. I once again reference the 'Blue Ocean' strategy. As such, the Rev shouldn't really be discounted because of the M$/Sony 'stranglehold' over the industry, namely because Big N is going outside the current industry. This plan, while ambitous, could be enough to put them into the same 'league' as you put it, as the '360 & PS3

Now, on a side note; have people already made up their minds as to which console they plan to buy? Obviously the '360 will only be worth having around the time the PS3 comes out, and I forsee that Sony won't be dumb enough to release their console without some sort of first-gen killer-app, and as such will be worth a little bit more consideration than when the '360 was released. So, what's everyone planning to get?
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NNff. What a ridiculous price. Me, I can't wait for the Revolution. Not a fanboy; I enjoy screwing around on the Xbox and 360 and PS2 just as much as any other normal person... I'm just intrigued by the design, and plus I grew up on the big N. Plus I'll actually be able to front the cash for one, which is good.
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