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Offline Ford Prefect

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Offline aldo_14

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Well, duh!

 

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Re: It's about time for Mel Gibson to commit himself.
So we now get to watch Cortez mutilate Montezuma for two hours? :p
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Re: It's about time for Mel Gibson to commit himself.
So we now get to watch Cortez mutilate Montezuma for two hours? :p

Wrong South American Empire bud. :p
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Oh come on, that's funny. And the movie looks good. Actually, Hollywood needs someone, preferably a few someones, who is not going to just pump out the same old crap and has that whole "We're doomed, in a spectacular, dramatic way" thing going on. And besides, Mayan (it is Mayan, right) mysticism/prohpecy/collapse is just plain cool.

 

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So we now get to watch Cortez mutilate Montezuma for two hours? :p

Wrong South American Empire bud. :p

Someone missed the joke.

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Offline Ford Prefect

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Oh come on, that's funny. And the movie looks good. Actually, Hollywood needs someone, preferably a few someones, who is not going to just pump out the same old crap and has that whole "We're doomed, in a spectacular, dramatic way" thing going on. And besides, Mayan (it is Mayan, right) mysticism/prohpecy/collapse is just plain cool.
There is good work that comes out of Hollywood. I don't think Mel Gibson is among the producers of said work.

You know he's also doing a Holocaust miniseries on ABC? That ought to be rich.
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Offline Rictor

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See, I'm not up to date on the whole "Mel Gibson is a crazed fundamentalist" deal, having never seen the Passion and surrounding controversy. To me, he's just the guy from Lethal Weapon and Braveheart, and anything else I've completely missed or ignored, since I'm particualrly interested in Hollywood gossip and whatnot.

 

Offline aldo_14

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See, I'm not up to date on the whole "Mel Gibson is a crazed fundamentalist" deal, having never seen the Passion and surrounding controversy. To me, he's just the guy from Lethal Weapon and Braveheart, and anything else I've completely missed or ignored, since I'm particualrly interested in Hollywood gossip and whatnot.

Braveheart was a crime upon it's own merit.  IIRC it painted one of Wallaces greatest allies, who died at the Battle of Stirling Bridge after getting gangrene on a wound, as a self-serving noble who betrayed him to the English.  And did the same for Robert The Bruce.

 

Offline Mefustae

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*snip* one of Wallaces greatest allies, *snip*
If he's so great, how come he's dead?

 

Offline pyro-manic

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Well, he'd be pushing 800 if he was still alive...
Any fool can pull a trigger...

 

Offline aldo_14

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*snip* one of Wallaces greatest allies, *snip*
If he's so great, how come he's dead?

Because he died as a result of fighting for his comrade-in-arms?  Hence a great allie as in 'reliable, faithful and willing to die for the cause'?  It's not that hard a concept, surely?

 

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Re: It's about time for Mel Gibson to commit himse
Braveheart was a crime upon it's own merit.  IIRC it painted one of Wallaces greatest allies, who died at the Battle of Stirling Bridge after getting gangrene on a wound, as a self-serving noble who betrayed him to the English.  And did the same for Robert The Bruce.

Actually, Robert the Bruce was portrayed as a good guy, alltough manipulated by his scheeming father.

And Passion is a great move.. b.t.w. Mel Gibson is original, I'll tell you that. He's one of my dearest movie directors.
And he's not into that "make a politicly correct movie about a minority to get instant awards" routine.
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Because he died as a result of fighting for his comrade-in-arms? Hence a great allie as in 'reliable, faithful and willing to die for the cause'? It's not that hard a concept, surely?
Actually, it was a vain attempt at humour. I was making a reference to one of my favorite Homer lines; "If he's so smart how come he's dead?". Guess a lack of a smilie or [/sarcasm] really matters... :nervous:

 

Offline aldo_14

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Braveheart was a crime upon it's own merit.  IIRC it painted one of Wallaces greatest allies, who died at the Battle of Stirling Bridge after getting gangrene on a wound, as a self-serving noble who betrayed him to the English.  And did the same for Robert The Bruce.

Actually, Robert the Bruce was portrayed as a good guy, alltough manipulated by his scheeming father.

****ing bollocks.  The man did more than Wallace ever did - won independence (in effect) at Bannockburn and is one of the first and greatest guerilla leaders in history - and he's portrayed as a weak minded, scheming traitor who betrayed his country? 

Can you think of any other country that has had a national hero portrayed in that way?

It was a simple bastardization of history to give Wallace an excuse for being outnumbered at Falkirk (where it was probably English longbowmen that won the battle, despite Wallace developing the first effective 'schiltron' strategy to use against English cavalry); not only that, they got the Battle of Stirling Bridge wrong (which resulted in Morays death after the battle was won, from Gangrene), and made up a stupid fictional romance with the French princess (in reality, 9 years old at that time).  Not to mention the bloody woad markings and token comedy Irishman (the Irish were hired mercenaries who fought for Edward I at Falkirk, and did not switch sides).  Also the hanging of Scottish nobles depicted in the introduction never happened (the English only invaded 1 year prior to when the films' 'current day' is set), nor was there any right - in Scotland or England - for a nobleman to deflower a virgin in his territory.  and so on.

 What's the value of a history, when the facts are ignored in favour of the audience?  How can we possibly learn from 'entertainment value'?  It pisses me off, because this still affects people; I once had an American couple come up to me (noticing my accent) and ask if we 'hated the English', because they'd seen Braveheart.

(Apparently, there is a Gibson-inspired 'Braveheart' statue near the site of the Battle of Falkirk, which has had to be placed in a cage because of vandalism; people hate it)

 

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What's the value of a history, when the facts are ignored in favour of the audience? How can we possibly learn from 'entertainment value'? It pisses me off, because this still affects people
I think the exact same thing when I hear anyone mention the movie 'Pearl Harbour'...

 

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Actually, it was a vain attempt at humour. I was making a reference to one of my favorite Homer lines; "If he's so smart how come he's dead?". Guess a lack of a smilie or [/sarcasm] really matters... :nervous:
I noticed the reference. :p

Just for the record, Anyone expecting historical accuracy from Hollywood deserves to be disappointed and possibly ridiculed.

 

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And he's not into that "make a politicly correct movie about a minority to get instant awards" routine.
Referring to which movie?
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