[IceFire]

Yes, yes, yes, BSG had yet another great episode this week...

Spoiler:

And actually the thing that surprised me the most was how Starbuck shot... FRAKING SHOT Lee. That was really unexpected. And Billys death was very tragic, yes. But this actually made me think of something. You know how Adama asked Sharon if she would tell him who the Cylons were in the fleet, and she said she wouldn't... I wonder that maybe Billy is a Cylon? Just a thought

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And, after watching the goodness that is BSG and Lost, am I the only one who thinks that they should have cut the cord on SG1? I mean the show compared to the likes of BSG is soooo damned cheesey. They are so predictable it's disgusting. On top of that, they are basically recycling old stories and plots with a few minor details changed. Whoop dee doo. I liked SG1 when there was, ya'know, actual danger and suspense and plots. Now it's just technobabble crap mixed with generic Star Trek-esuq planets. I say someone should put the show out of its misery.

SG-1 is a different show with a different scope.  They know its cheesy...they do that on purpose.  Thats why they make of intertextual references...sometimes blatantly sometimes not.  Half the fun of watching SG-1 is because its funny and entertaining in a light sort of way.  BSG is much more moody and dark...I like both...but if I'm having a bad day watching SG-1 is a nice thing to do because most of the episodes usually err on the side of humour with some adventure.

Now, season 10 hasn't been quite as good up until now as some of the previous seasons...but I think its back in stride.

[BlackDove]

Next person that mentions SG-1 is supporting Charismatic's choice to copulate with a fifteen year old in the other thread.

[Mefustae]

SG... Atlantis

[BlackDove]

Got me there.

Partial credit.

Both ways.

[WMCoolmon]

Next person that mentions SG-1 is supporting Charismatic's choice to copulate with a fifteen year old in the other thread.

Next person to bow to BlackDove's ultimatum is supporting terrorism.

[Black Wolf]

The next person to come up with a next person ultimatum liked BC Millenium.

[NGTM-1R]

The next person to come up with a next person ultimatum liked BC Millenium.

Anyone who really cares about any of these ultimatums is rather foolish.

[FireCrack]

The next person to come up with a next person ultimatum liked BC Millenium.

ohh.... that's preety harsh... you could be like.. banned for that...

[Ace]

Whomever else mentions BC Millenium will be stuck in a room with Helen Tigh...

[Mefustae]

*Clears throat*

Battlecruiser Millenium[/i]

*Rubs hands together expentantly*

[Nuke]

Millenium!
i just like older women

[Ace]

You two gotta be kidding me. She's unbridabled evil like... like... Ann Coulter!

[Nuke]

evil chicks are good in bed

[Ghostavo]

The next person to come up with a next person ultimatum liked BC Millenium.

I actually liked BC Millenium... 

[Janos]

BILLY
BILLY
BILLY
BILLY

Billy is frakken awesome doodz.

Billy bee bebop man, why do you

Spoiler:

FUKKEN DIE LOL

[ZylonBane]

Well, that was crap.

For the THIRD TIME IN A ROW, we have an episode that starts with a flashback (or flashforward, or whatever the hell was going on).

We have Kat being an unprofessional, petty, egotistical psycho-*****...

...and we have Starbuck letting Kat get away with it. Up to and including getting punched in the mouth.

We have, with absolutely no prior mention, an "ace" Cylon Raider that hates humans, even though this idea doesn't make a damn bit of sense because:

1. Any Cylon that's been killed so many times is clearly not an ace.
2. Any Cylon getting killed more than a few times is statistically improbable. If you divide the thousands (or tens of thousands) of Raiders by the number of humans who are still fighting them, the chances of any one Raider getting pegged more than once or twice is pretty slim.
3. The "training by death" concept is ridiculous. Since Cylon personalites can be transmitted, that means they can be represented as data, which means they can be duplicated. So they really only need one ace Raider pilot personality, which can be imprinted on ALL the Raiders.

So... yeah. Crap. Though I can see how it would appeal to the "Explosions are pretty!" demographic.

[NGTM-1R]

1. Any Cylon that's been killed so many times is clearly not an ace.

There's a saying: it's better to be lucky then good. And there's truth to it. If reality decides to scream "SCREW YOU!" and kill your Raider ace repeatedly, there really isn't a damn thing you can do. More to the point, see the below paragraph.

2. Any Cylon getting killed more than a few times is statistically improbable. If you divide the thousands (or tens of thousands) of Raiders by the number of humans who are still fighting them, the chances of any one Raider getting pegged more than once or twice is pretty slim.

Actually, no.

Consider: the Cylons may well be seeing that the same "troops" are fighting Galactica each time, because they are experienced. They've done it before. This pushes the "they're learning" cavet to its logical conclusion: the Cylons are developing a specialized force specifically to combat Galactica, be ensuring that it is fought by the same opponents each time. Thus it is VERY possible that Galactica is beating the same Cylons repeatedly. (Also, consider that they have done this, by my incomplete count extending only up to Season Two, plus or minus 275 times. "33" covers the 257th, 258th, and 259th; add up from there. If these are in fact the same Raiders facing Galatica every time, they have more combat experience against Galactica then many pilots have acquired in entire wars.)

3. The "training by death" concept is ridiculous. Since Cylon personalites can be transmitted, that means they can be represented as data, which means they can be duplicated. So they really only need one ace Raider pilot personality, which can be imprinted on ALL the Raiders.

And then they all act alike. And can all be defeated in the same way, every time. That's the danger inherent to automated war machines: they're all the same. They respond to situations the same way. Present one with a situation that you have presented another, and you know exactly how it will react. And hence, how to counter it.

Whoops.

It is possible that the Cylons actually did have a single Raider ace at one time. However, inherent to them is their ability to learn, and to think, and the fact that the Raiders are not all controlled by one metapersonality, but individuals. In learning they evolve, and in evolving, they became different from each other based upon their different experiences. You didn't think it all the way through.

[ZylonBane]

And then they all act alike.

Says who? One thing that highly competent warriors do is NOT act in an easy-to-predict manner. That's basic tactics.

[Unknown Target]

No, but if you've ever flown in, say, a combat flight sim against a certain person for awhile, you tend to know what they do in stress situations. Eventually the enemy Raider would start running out of moves.

And anyway, about the new episode: I WANT TO SEE SOME FRAKKIN SCI FI! In the last scene of the episode, I just went "Oh my gooood it's a SOAP!" Serious, people, BSG is good and all, and I realize that they're trying to branch out to a wider audience, but at least in the first two seasons they actually, you know, had something unique to the plot; as in that it could not take place in any other show. Woohoo, terrorists. Ok, this is CSI Miami...or 24, or hell, Baywatch. BSG needs to use it's unique settings and story, and not ONLY focus on the characters. It's good to focus on the people, but not to the extent where every episode becomes a soap box drama.

[Ford Prefect]

Like I said, BSG is primarily an examination of politics, society, and spirituality. It is placing contemporary and universal questions in a fictional context to give us greater objectivity and insight. To that end, typical sci-fi "set pieces" should appear only when and if they drive or supplement this purpose.