Author Topic: Scar  (Read 4784 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ZylonBane

  • The Infamous
  • 29
Regarding the latest episode-- I don't think I like Dee anymore.
ZylonBane's opinions do not represent those of the management.

 

Offline Janos

  • A *really* weird sheep
  • 28
Regarding the latest episode-- I don't think I like Dee anymore.

Spoiler:
Shot through the heart and you're to blame
You give love a bad name
lol wtf

 

Offline Nuke

  • Ka-Boom!
  • 212
  • Mutants Worship Me
i still find that bsg is pretty unique. its dramatic and unpredictable. i wouldnt call it a soap opera cause those tend to be poorly acted and very predictable, which i dont think is the case with bsg.
I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

Nuke's Scripting SVN

 

Offline Mefustae

  • 210
  • Chevron locked...
i still find that bsg is pretty unique. its dramatic and unpredictable. i wouldnt call it a soap opera cause those tend to be poorly acted and very predictable, which i dont think is the case with bsg.
Unpredictable? Hell yeah. The end of Kobol's Last Gleaming for example; show me someone who saw that coming, and i'll show you a f***ing liar.

 

Offline aldo_14

  • Gunnery Control
  • 213
Little thought on Cylon raiders resurrecting; who says it's biologically or mechanically possible to copy memories anyways?
And then they all act alike.
Says who? One thing that highly competent warriors do is NOT act in an easy-to-predict manner. That's basic tactics.

Any group sharing identical thought patterns risks predictability; human behaviour is never random, even if attempted to be, let alone machines.  Moreso, the last thing you want a 'highly competent' warrior to do is second guess themselves, which is exactly what happens if you place the impetus upon being unpredictable; I'd imagine most soldiers rely not on trying to out-bluff the enemy, but upon proven and tested tactics they know to work.  And there's a strength in that, but not when every soldier makes exactly the same decision, without meaning to do so, as the others.  There's a difference between, for example, knowing the Immelman turn and when you decide to use it.

 Also, if you have an evolutionary behaviour, that behaviour can only evolve with specific experiences; i.e. you can't rely upon a single behaviour pattern as a baseline, because then you limit all other possible learning experience.  So, unless you can share learning - and that's open for either way - you need to have alternate Raiders having alternative experiences in order to broaden overall combat experience.

NB: worth noting, Cylons did proper-fight other ships in the mini-series; there's a line just after Boomers' raptor is picked up where she asks Apollo of the state of the war, and he mentions only old (or badly in need of an overhaul) fighters being succesful against the Cylons; and there's nothing to indicate he knows of the Galacticas' operations in that ilk.  So it's not impossible for a Raider to have died fighting Colonials.

 

Offline Flipside

  • əp!sd!l£
  • 212
There are certain limits you can push socio-political analysis before it starts to overshadow the rest of the show. Yes, I do think BSG does a far better job than the original in portraying the human condition of what happened, rather than the  'Ooops!' reaction from the Original.

However, I was willing to accept that the first series was going to to be all run and little fight, but I would like to see a little more combat action, it doesn't cost any more money to render more ships, you have one model and that's all you need. Though it would introduce time constraints for more ships/explosions etc, when you are talking Vipers vs Raiders etc, it's not like you need to pay for new models, and the animators aren't paid on a 'per explosion' basis ;)

But this is a Sci-Fi series, with a Battlestar, an old, but deadly warhorse, it'd be nice to see if properly go into action more often.

I've only watched series one and my total impression was, very good, very dark, and I wish Boltar would shut up sometimes.

Finally, as far as personality transference goes, we aren't entirely sure how it works, Cylon raiders are techno-organic, they may view each cylon's experiences as a 'Soul' that they pass into another shell, it may possibly be against their religion to duplicate 'souls' like that?

  

Offline Unknown Target

  • Get off my lawn!
  • 212
  • Push.Pull?
Actually, on the Cylon bit: Maybe they did use an all-the-same AI for the first go around, and, since they were fighting against humans, each Cylon Raider had a different combat experience. So, rather than overwriting everything, they just kept each individual AI. You couldn't decide which AI was automatically "better" so you just keep them all and allow them all to grow.

 

Offline BlackDove

  • Star Killer
  • 211
  • Section 3 of the GTVI
    • http://www.shatteredstar.org
Regarding the latest episode-- I don't think I like Dee anymore.

Considering she's a promiscuous whore, I can see why.

 

Offline Ford Prefect

  • 8D
  • 26
  • Intelligent Dasein
Ah yes, a woman who has conflicting feelings is a whore. Just makes me swell with pride to be a man.
"Mais est-ce qu'il ne vient jamais à l'idée de ces gens-là que je peux être 'artificiel' par nature?"  --Maurice Ravel

 

Offline Unknown Target

  • Get off my lawn!
  • 212
  • Push.Pull?
Er...anyway.
In response to the BSG = not a soap but a human commentary thing, I have this to say: that's all well and good, go ahead and make a good commentary show, but make it BSG! I mean, I LOVED the first and second season; the show used to be about telling a story, of how a race, completely slaughetered, was now trying to  find its new home. The social commentary was interwoven into that; now, it's ONLY commentary, and minus the actual BSG story. That's my problem with it. I want story first, commentary second. The first and second seasons did a wonderful job, but like I just said: the third season is doing all this stuff for shock value and just for the sake of doing it. It's becoming like a mature version of Star Trek: just a bunch of episodic storylines that are for the most part not interconnectd. The only difference is that it deals with darker themes.

 

Offline Flipside

  • əp!sd!l£
  • 212
Have they done the 'Enemy Mine' scenario yet?

No sci-fi series is complete without a good-guy crash landing on the same planet as a 'bad guy' and the two of them having to work together to survive. If it hasn't happened yet... it will ;)

 

Offline Turambar

  • Determined to inflict his entire social circle on us
  • 210
  • You can't spell Manslaughter without laughter
they kinda did that
where starbuck crashed, and had to make that cylon raider work for her...

but that was also kinda different
10:55:48   TurambarBlade: i've been selecting my generals based on how much i like their hats
10:55:55   HerraTohtori: me too!
10:56:01   HerraTohtori: :D

 

Offline neo_hermes

  • MmmmmmNode!
  • 28
  • What the hell are you lookin at?
*is suddenly reminded of the Old Starbuck and Tin can Stuck on a inhospitable planet*
Hell has no fury like an0n...
killing threads is...well, what i do best.

 

Offline aldo_14

  • Gunnery Control
  • 213
they kinda did that
where starbuck crashed, and had to make that cylon raider work for her...

but that was also kinda different

In the sense that she ripped out it's brains and rode its corpse to freedom.  In effect.

 

Offline BlackDove

  • Star Killer
  • 211
  • Section 3 of the GTVI
    • http://www.shatteredstar.org
Ah yes, a woman who has conflicting feelings is a whore. Just makes me swell with pride to be a man.

She's been leading Billy Boy on, but really all she ever wanted was to trade up to the CAG and have him **** her brains out. Billy boy was good while CAG was rejecting her, but once Adama decided it's more fun to pass the time with her on his cock, she immediatly dropped Billy.

There were no "conflicting" feelings. Just using one until being able to trade up for another.

Whore.

 

Offline Ford Prefect

  • 8D
  • 26
  • Intelligent Dasein
In response to the BSG = not a soap but a human commentary thing, I have this to say: that's all well and good, go ahead and make a good commentary show, but make it BSG! I mean, I LOVED the first and second season; the show used to be about telling a story, of how a race, completely slaughetered, was now trying to  find its new home. The social commentary was interwoven into that; now, it's ONLY commentary, and minus the actual BSG story. That's my problem with it. I want story first, commentary second. The first and second seasons did a wonderful job, but like I just said: the third season is doing all this stuff for shock value and just for the sake of doing it. It's becoming like a mature version of Star Trek: just a bunch of episodic storylines that are for the most part not interconnectd. The only difference is that it deals with darker themes.
Well, one problem is that if you want to give the show longevity, you have to ration the amount of central plot you include in each episode. If you throw in big twists too liberally, you run the risk of exhausting the show's timeline, and running a show past its prime is a mistake that has made many a great program turn mediocre toward the end.

The other problem is that the original Battlestar Galactica was utterly vapid. I really think it's unfair to think of this show as a resurrection of the original. Rather, it's a human drama that's using the universe of the original show to accomplish something much more philosophically ambitious. And as far as I'm concerned, that is the very pinnacle of what good science fiction is.
"Mais est-ce qu'il ne vient jamais à l'idée de ces gens-là que je peux être 'artificiel' par nature?"  --Maurice Ravel

 

Offline Ace

  • Truth of Babel
  • 212
    • http://www.lordofrigel.com
Yeah. They kinda did it right here, but at the same time more could have been done to 'increase longevity and creativity.'

For instance, make the first season up until the mid season finale being the Cylon invasion of the Colonies. Have the ambushes, individual ships joining up, raiding depots, etc. Plus show the few other Battlestars that survived as sort of cliff-hanger like things. (i.e. Pegasus working with Galactia on an op and then vanishing)

Similarly "flashbacks" to the Colonial War would work well. A seeing a Baseship near Kobol reminds Adama of a scouting mission he did back in the day. Have sort of 'meta plots' that mesh events then with the present. (stuff he saw but didn't understand until now)

Then the "survival episodes" (getting water, food, etc. with the political issues of the new government) which get turned on end with the discovery of Kobol (more conflict of "let's settle here" is needed), then Pegasus, then the Iblis type plot, finding the Galleon, schism between "kill the Cylons with the tech of the gods" and finding Earth, etc.
Ace
Self-plagiarism is style.
-Alfred Hitchcock

 

Offline Janos

  • A *really* weird sheep
  • 28
Er...anyway.
In response to the BSG = not a soap but a human commentary thing, I have this to say: that's all well and good, go ahead and make a good commentary show, but make it BSG! I mean, I LOVED the first and second season; the show used to be about telling a story, of how a race, completely slaughetered, was now trying to  find its new home. The social commentary was interwoven into that; now, it's ONLY commentary, and minus the actual BSG story. That's my problem with it. I want story first, commentary second. The first and second seasons did a wonderful job, but like I just said: the third season is doing all this stuff for shock value and just for the sake of doing it. It's becoming like a mature version of Star Trek: just a bunch of episodic storylines that are for the most part not interconnectd. The only difference is that it deals with darker themes.

we're still in second season UT just fyi lol good times brotha

I kinda agree that lately it's been far more lackluster. We've had several good and some mediocre episodes but it feels like the fleet is just sitting there, wondering when they run out of supplies. Character development is good and nice - I'm watching BSG for drama, not for fancy scifi battles - but the story should pick up now.

Maybe they blow up the Pegasus soon so we can get rid of that inevitable equation of "nukes and battlestars, oh my".

Also, Apollo has more lives than a cat. He's been, what, almost chocked to death 3 TIMES, shot once, damn if I remember more stuff. I
lol wtf

 

Offline WMCoolmon

  • Purveyor of space crack
  • 213
Also, Apollo has more lives than a cat. He's been, what, almost chocked to death 3 TIMES, shot once, damn if I remember more stuff. I

Damn, the BSG nitpicking police got 'im.
-C

 

Offline ZylonBane

  • The Infamous
  • 29
Also, Apollo has more lives than a cat.
Much like all characters in all action-adventure shows ever. Move along, nothing to see here.
ZylonBane's opinions do not represent those of the management.