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Offline Thorn

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Just a cool screenshot from Homeworld..
  http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/iverach/hcruiser.html
If anyne knows of a plugin for 3D Studio Max for viewing Homeworld models, let me know...

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[edit] Angelfire is gay [/edit]

[This message has been edited by Thorn (edited 10-05-2001).]

 

Offline Shrike

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Eh, if you get the program that pulls the files out, you can access the HW models.  Try the GS homeworld site.
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Offline Thorn

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*smacks forehead*
D'OH!!
Note to self..
If looking for something at 2am, get some caffene first...

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Offline Killfrenzy

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*smacks forehead*
D'OH!!
Note to self..
If looking for something at 2am, get some caffene first...


Note: If looking for something at 2am think: 'What the **** am I doing up at this time?'

 


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Offline Thorn

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Note: If looking for something at 2am think: 'What the **** am I doing up at this time?'

   



That too  

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Offline Darkage

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I still need to kick DC's but in HW it where nice battles yesterday night

Note: at 2am you should eat pizza as pizza rules over pasta..look in siggy.

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Offline Thorn

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Lol..
If anyone else has HW, let me DC or Darkage know, so we can get a little 2v2 goin..
then you might get your chance for revenge Darkage...
Hell... maybe we could get a 4v4 if enough people have it and are willing to lose to us  

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Offline wEvil

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i got homeworld and i luv it.

but i dont have time to play anything much online cause when they said this CG course was intensive, they meant it.

Ive got 5 assignments to hand in by the end of the month..then i get given another 5!

On the upside..my dual athlon MP 1ghz is up and running now  

If anyone from the UK is going to the computerarts live in kings cross on thursday i might see you there  



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Offline Nico

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Originally posted by wEvil:
i got homeworld and i luv it.

but i dont have time to play anything much online cause when they said this CG course was intensive, they meant it.

Ive got 5 assignments to hand in by the end of the month..then i get given another 5!

On the upside..my dual athlon MP 1ghz is up and running now  

If anyone from the UK is going to the computerarts live in kings cross on thursday i might see you there  


I'd like to have HW  
Anyway I have Red Faction now   anybody for a deathmatch?  
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Offline Woomeister

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I'd like to have HW  
Anyway I have Red Faction now   anybody for a deathmatch?  
Please don't tempt me  


 
I've got HW, but I never finished it. It got boring after U get Missile Destroyers.

In fact, that's a pretty major gripe I've got against the game.  They give you no shortage of crap to blind-side small stuff with (Grav-well gens, missile destroyers, ect.) but the only thing that they give you to get cap-ships with are... bigger capships (and salvage corvettes, if you can get them to live long enough that is  ).  

I actually thought the 'paper-rock-sissors' thing they had going was pretty cool (corvettes beat fighters, cap-ships beat corvettes, fighters beat cap-ships), it made you think about your force organization and composition a lot more.  Once you get m.destroyers there is no thought involved, except whether you should build a h.cruiser before or after you max out your beam frigates.

I also don't like the fact that the assault frigate is completely useless either...
I told you that It would be done by November, well, mostly anyway...

I'm working on something new... shhhhh, it's a seceret.

 

Offline DragonClaw

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I've got HW, but I never finished it. It got boring after U get Missile Destroyers.

In fact, that's a pretty major gripe I've got against the game.  They give you no shortage of crap to blind-side small stuff with (Grav-well gens, missile destroyers, ect.) but the only thing that they give you to get cap-ships with are... bigger capships (and salvage corvettes, if you can get them to live long enough that is   ).  

I actually thought the 'paper-rock-sissors' thing they had going was pretty cool (corvettes beat fighters, cap-ships beat corvettes, fighters beat cap-ships), it made you think about your force organization and composition a lot more.  Once you get m.destroyers there is no thought involved, except whether you should build a h.cruiser before or after you max out your beam frigates.

I also don't like the fact that the assault frigate is completely useless either...


You think thats bad? Cataclysm is even worse! A standard destroyer can take on any frigate, and has missiles to take out fighters/corvettes. And you have a multi-beam frigate which can rape fighters in a snap. The Dreadnaught has tons of missiles as well. Basically, in Cataclysm, fighters don't survive.


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I know... tried the demo and decided not to waste my $$$  
I told you that It would be done by November, well, mostly anyway...

I'm working on something new... shhhhh, it's a seceret.

 

Offline Thorn

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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
I also don't like the fact that the assault frigate is completely useless either...

Its not completeky useless..
It eats fighters for breakfast and corvettes for lunch....
It can fire at something broadside it because its turrets turn that far...
If you ask me the Ion Frigate is useless except for taking on capships, and even then, if its even slightly outgunned it gets raped, mainly because it turns so slow...

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In all the time I wasted on that game I never saw one instance where any of that made any real difference...  Your fleet was either outgunned or it wasn't, and there wasn't any amount of dancing around that helped to swing things much (I'll admit it could help in a close battle, but how often do you see those?).

Besides, vs a wing of 10 interceptors the assault frigate will get beaten down to less than half its starting health, and it will lose against the same number of bombers.  There are also cheaper ways of dealing with corvettes than an assault frigate (since corvettes are really only good against fighters the assualt frigate won't be able to keep up with a running battle anyway).
I told you that It would be done by November, well, mostly anyway...

I'm working on something new... shhhhh, it's a seceret.

 

Offline Thorn

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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
In all the time I wasted on that game I never saw one instance where any of that made any real difference...  Your fleet was either outgunned or it wasn't, and there wasn't any amount of dancing around that helped to swing things much (I'll admit it could help in a close battle, but how often do you see those?).

Besides, vs a wing of 10 interceptors the assault frigate will get beaten down to less than half its starting health, and it will lose against the same number of bombers.  There are also cheaper ways of dealing with corvettes than an assault frigate (since corvettes are really only good against fighters the assualt frigate won't be able to keep up with a running battle anyway).

No.. I think youre wrong.. Assault Frigates rape bombers, theyre slow enough that it doesnt have any trouble hitting them with its heavier guns (it has dual, forward firing plasma bomb launchers, along with the 4 heavy turrets). It wont come out of the fight undamaged mind you, but it will fare better that against the interceptors. Its problem with interceptors is that its too slow, which is why you gaurd the thing with multigun corvettes. Its an eccelent escort vessel, and great at assaulting resourcing operations, but it melts against anything with Ion Cannons or that can move fater than its turrets can...

If you manage your fleet right, you can win a battle even if youre severely outgunned. Manuver your ships to hit the rear and tops of the enemy ships, they have weaker armor there (issue an attack order, then a move order, they will continue to face the target and fire while moving).

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Alright, I'll concede that the Assault frigate has it's uses...

But that still doesn't alleviate the basic problem I have with the game.  Once you get missile destroyers the game gets simplistic (fighters and corvettes = dead).  After that it's all about the big stuff.

But I still love the game's engine even if I disagree with how they designed elements of the game itself.  Once I get done with my FS2 conversion, HW is next (should be easier too, I'll have all my meshes done  )

[This message has been edited by jonskowitz (edited 10-06-2001).]
I told you that It would be done by November, well, mostly anyway...

I'm working on something new... shhhhh, it's a seceret.

 

Offline Thorn

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Missile Destroyers?
Theyre useless, theres better (and cheaper) ways to deal with strike craft.
10 multigun corvettes can take out a large wing of interceptors in about 10 seconds, and they dont need to be protected.
That Destroyer need protection from other destroyers and any strike craft paired with Defence Field frigates and Defence Fighters.
I laugh at people who use them....
Id rather have regular destroyers....

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[This message has been edited by Thorn (edited 10-06-2001).]

 
10 multi-gun corvettes cost almost as much as a MD does (I think, hmmm...better check my game manual when I get home)!  Plus they have to deal with attrition ( =irritating and x-pensive).  Besides, firepower wise the MD is *alsmost* as powerful as a standard destroyer.  The only thing that MDs have to worry about are heavy cruisers, "beam" destroyers,... and salvage corvettes    

Slightly OT- this has to be one of the most fun and interesting discussions I've ever had around here.  Hope you haven't been taking this as pure antagonism, because of this I'm interested in playing the game again (if for no other reason than testing some of these theories   )  I've never played against a real opponent, I'm sure it's far more interesting than watching moronic computer forces go *pop*.

Before you ask, I'm stuck with a dial-up modem so O/L is out of the question (did I say dial-up?  Make that a REALLY slow dial-up).
I told you that It would be done by November, well, mostly anyway...

I'm working on something new... shhhhh, it's a seceret.