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Offline Charismatic

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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
Uhhh, Bobboau, this is Season 3, not 2.
Its season 2. Season 1 got a 13 episode run, Season 2 is getting a 20 episode run.

On SPACE in Canada we're now only a few episodes behind and its a 20 straight week run of new episodes. Its great!
Can't wait to watch it!
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Who wouldent want that girl in their head. Shes smokin hot. And wants to **** around alot. I wouldent mind her...in my head.
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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
Ah, classic geek mentality.

Focus on the smokin' hot body, ignore the fact she keeps bashing your face into mirrors and forcing you to give away your precious thermonuclear weapons....
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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
Gina is bad, Caprica-Boomer is good, Galactica-Boomer is mental, Galactica-Six is a hallucination, Caprica-Six is malfunctioning, Galactica-Baltar is a weak asshole, Caprica-Baltar is awesome.

Edit damn, it should actually be Caprica-Boomer is in Galactica and is mental and Galactica-Boomer is in Caprica and is good

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lol wtf

 

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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
Edit damn, it should actually be Caprica-Boomer is in Galactica and is mental and Galactica-Boomer is in Caprica and is good
Uhh..  what?
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Galactica-Baltar is a weak asshole, Caprica-Baltar is awesome.
Dam. I knew it. I knew he was cylon. But, dam. He was cool.
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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
Yeah i was wondering why i had it on dvd already..
and BTW, thanks.


They split the season into 2 parts so they could sell it 3 times on DVD as season 2.0, season 2.5 and the complete season 2 set.  I think the latter has an extended version of Pegasus (they had considered a 90 min episode for that one, and although they didn't end up doing so, there's apparently enough material for quite a few additions).

 

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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
Edit damn, it should actually be Caprica-Boomer is in Galactica and is mental and Galactica-Boomer is in Caprica and is good
Uhh..  what?
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Galactica-Baltar is a weak asshole, Caprica-Baltar is awesome.
Dam. I knew it. I knew he was cylon. But, dam. He was cool.

Um, he's not a Cylon, that's definately proved in this episode.

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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Um, he's not a Cylon, that's definately proved in this episode.

Or is it? :drevil:
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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/

Um, he's not a Cylon, that's definately proved in this episode.

Or is it? :drevil:


Watch it again; first, when Caprica Six wakes up, she goes "Is Baltar still alive?" - if he was a Cylon, wouldn't she know? And why would she have to seduce Baltar into gaining access; if Baltar was a Cylon, then that'd be kinda redundant, non? Also, when three (I think it's three), talks about Baltar and her mission being some great mission and whatnot, it's obvious that he's a human.

 

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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
So the question is, what the **** is with Baltar and Six?

Both of their hallucinations aren't just manifestations of the personality of their counterpart, they're the opposite of themselves.

Both Six and Baltar are whiney little *****es, yet their hallucinations are hard-asses.

Which makes very little sense. Although I suppose it could be argued that both hallucinations keep their hosts safe, and that's a foundation of love. But that's a bit iffy.
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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
so this does now conclusively prove that baltar is not getting Cylon transmisions beemed into his head, he's just crazy, right?
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Watch it again; first, when Caprica Six wakes up, she goes "Is Baltar still alive?" - if he was a Cylon, wouldn't she know? And why would she have to seduce Baltar into gaining access; if Baltar was a Cylon, then that'd be kinda redundant, non? Also, when three (I think it's three), talks about Baltar and her mission being some great mission and whatnot, it's obvious that he's a human.

There's still the question of how he survived the water blast. Six didn't; and it's really stretching the suspension of disbelief to say that Six - who was a Cylon infiltrator, which seem to be much more physically durable and capable than human counterparts - did not survive the impact, while Baltar did.

Plus, Baltar's eyes were burned out by the nuclear flare. Yet he was left with no more than some scratches (Hmm...six's scratch in this episode) and was able to see perfectly fine, and somehow managed to turn up with the crowd of people near the Raptor - even though it seemed that Baltar's home was isolated from pretty much everything else. You'd think that he would've suffered some broken bones, at least.

Finally, there's the deal with Six and Baltar being in each other's heads. Although they both seem to be fantasies, reinterpretations of the character to stress the characteristics that the host found most attractive.
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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
so this does now conclusively prove that baltar is not getting Cylon transmisions beemed into his head, he's just crazy, right?
To me it suggests quite the opposite. The symmetry of their experiences indicates to me that there is a force at work larger than either of them-- possibly an interest that transcends the Human-Cylon conflict. Their respective hallucinations have instilled in each one a certain amount of sympathy for the other's people.
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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
another thing, is Caprica close enought to the 'Cylon home world' for the resurection equipment to pick up the dead from that bomb or was Caprica also relying upon the resurection ship and they were unaware of it's destruction?
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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
There's still the question of how he survived the water blast. Six didn't; and it's really stretching the suspension of disbelief to say that Six - who was a Cylon infiltrator, which seem to be much more physically durable and capable than human counterparts - did not survive the impact, while Baltar did.

Plus, Baltar's eyes were burned out by the nuclear flare. Yet he was left with no more than some scratches (Hmm...six's scratch in this episode) and was able to see perfectly fine, and somehow managed to turn up with the crowd of people near the Raptor - even though it seemed that Baltar's home was isolated from pretty much everything else. You'd think that he would've suffered some broken bones, at least.

Finally, there's the deal with Six and Baltar being in each other's heads. Although they both seem to be fantasies, reinterpretations of the character to stress the characteristics that the host found most attractive.

According to the BattlestarWiki, Baltar was shielded by Six' body - specifically, the blast wasn't strong enough to totally destroy his house, and he was blown out the other side (so to speak).  Also, it's not explicit his eyes were hurt - his 'ouch' could be simply down to shock (albeit still raising questions about looking into a nuclear blast and all that). This, of course, is open to retconning.  If Baltar was a cylon, though, Six was rather pointless - they didn't need an infiltrator (Baltar would have internal code in his noggin to booby-trap the CAP), or lover (as cylons appear to need to use humans to reproduce; and there's no reason for Six to ever meet Baltar otherwise).  Plus there was no point in Six explaining human-cylons to him.... the only reasoning would be plan the Galacticas' entire escape, which seems rather at odds with firing nukes at the thing.

EDIT; (http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Downloaded)
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In the Miniseries novelization, this is expanded upon; his house wasn't entirely destroyed (that is, not reduced to pebbles) and when Caprica-Six blocked the blast with her body it shielded him enough; he was thrown through the house against a wall and slightly hurt but did not die.

An interesting thing in the miniseries was Baltar speaking of wishing to do AI research, which was banned after the Cylon war.  I can't help but wonder if it is related to the virtual Six.

(really stupid idea; Six got 'into' Baltar as some result of the nuclear blast; inhaling self assembling nonotech that built pathways or something in the brain - this would seem far to technobabbly for Galactica, though)

Incidentally, why the hell do I read these threads?  Sky One's only up to Home, Pt2.........

 

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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
IIRC he looked at Six right after his eyes were burned; therefore, he probably wouldn't be blind, judging from the evidence.
Also, I'm figuring that Six's much more resilient body took most of the blast; remember, it wasn't an explosion, it was the blast wave that took out the house; she probably might've taken the blunt of the debris and shockwave force, protecting Baltar from the most of it.

 

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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
I'm guessing their 'mind fudgery' is something to do with her glowing spine.

Could be that Earth is behind it all. I mean, each of the twelve colonies had a specific God. So what if the God of Earth stumbled across the Cylons and the Colonies and decided to end their bickering, change their moral structures and lead them to Earth?
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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
I'm guessing their 'mind fudgery' is something to do with her glowing spine.

Could be that Earth is behind it all. I mean, each of the twelve colonies had a specific God. So what if the God of Earth stumbled across the Cylons and the Colonies and decided to end their bickering, change their moral structures and lead them to Earth?

IIRC the glowing spine was a mistake; the sfx guys added it in simply because it looked good, and later regretted it as it screws continuity and soforth.

I don't think they'd have a or any God; for one thing, it'd raise a ****load of questions about 'the Lords of Kobol', because of the references - it seems - to the Cylon god being a 'fallen' lord (mainly IIRC both Sharon and Six react to this as somewhat offended, plus it seems a natural connection), and either you'd really confuse the monotheistic theology, or introduce the concept of beings effectively equal to God.  Plus it would sort of spoil a lot of the hard sci-fi aspects by removing the effects of free-will; a lot of the themes to me seem to be the evil (or otherwise) that people choose to do.

 

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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
Plus that'd make the whole "God" concept thing a little bit too....odd/obvious.
But what I'm really liking about these latest episodes is that they actually keep the continuity now, rather than having just random adventures, like in the beginning of the season.

 

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Well BattlestarWiki seems to have a policy of including things like the Shivan Manifesto in the main text of articles, so if it's not something explicitly stated in the episode, I pretty much ignore it entirely.

I do agree that it seems a bit odd for Six to seduce another Cylon, but OTOH, I feel like there must be something else going on with Baltar/Six.
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Re: BSG what the ****!? /*yeah spoilers probly*/
I don't think they'd have a or any God; for one thing, it'd raise a ****load of questions about 'the Lords of Kobol', because of the references - it seems - to the Cylon god being a 'fallen' lord (mainly IIRC both Sharon and Six react to this as somewhat offended, plus it seems a natural connection), and either you'd really confuse the monotheistic theology, or introduce the concept of beings effectively equal to God.

But then you run into about as many believeablity issues as there are vaguely religious people on Earth. I don't think suspension of disbelief would live through that. I'm curious, too, as to how the Cylons would react to a largely monothestic Earth that seems to hold the same beliefs (roughly) as they do.

Unless...Earth is the Cylon homeworld?

No, that's too nuts. Still, they can't just dismiss God on Earth out of hand. (Perhaps...Earth's God and the Cylon version are opposed to each other? That would be interesting...)

Worth noting that there really isn't a free choice element at this point, unless somewhere along the way they "break" the prophecies.
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