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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
Hm...
I watched Star Treck very often, but there was always something, that I don't like.
Humans were just to nice, to friendly, to morally. :)

I mean Babylon 5 shows Humans, like they really are: EVIL. Just look at President Clark or Bester. :D *cough*
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
one thing that can save startrek is to drop the libral hippie nonesence.


Bear in mind that in the Trek universe there is a vastly different set of political concerns to work with too: There is no poverty, no hunger. Take away the desperate fight for everyday survival and human beings would be capable of forming a very different society than we have today. Imagine what you would do with your life if you didn't need to earn money to survive; Think of the intellectual or athletic pursuits you could embark upon. Now consider that you could do any of those things and combine them with bettering the rest of humanity in the process. You see where I'm going? Recent finding suggest that human beings are indeed naturally kind to each other (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4766490.stm) - all they need is the chance.

As for what political differences do exist: We never explored the political side of the Federation Council, save The Undiscovered Country, and DS9: Home Front/Paradise Lose.

Of course, Enterprise did deal with the formation of the Federation and the political opposition to it, but that was set in a period when Earth wasn't quite "paradise" yet.
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
Bear in mind that in the Trek universe there is a vastly different set of political concerns to work with too: There is no poverty, no hunger. Take away the desperate fight for everyday survival and human beings would be capable of forming a very different society than we have today. Imagine what you would do with your life if you didn't need to earn money to survive; Think of the intellectual or athletic pursuits you could embark upon. Now consider that you could do any of those things and combine them with bettering the rest of humanity in the process. You see where I'm going?
TOS had all that crap and they still went around kicking people's asses and giving weapons to monkeys.

Recent finding suggest that human beings are indeed naturally kind to each other (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4766490.stm) - all they need is the chance.
There's nothing natural about it. They get 18 months of their mother being nice to them and just mimic the behaviour.


Personally, I would like to see something big happen in the Star Trek universe. Like Vulcan and the Vulcan people being decimated by a Romulan attack or something and being reduced to a few thousand survivors - then have them secede from the Federation and head off into the unknown to 'find their own path'.

They're one of the four foundations of the Federation (Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites), and they've spent the last 300 years acting as a stabilising influence on Humanity. They've kept the Klingons from annihilating Earth, helped overcome the Xindi Threat, maintained covert diplomatic ties with the Romulan dissidents and generally introduced the concept of pacifistic idealism to the Federation as a whole. Mankind has always been the Hand of Starfleet and the Federation, making the advances, leading the charge, forging new ties to alien worlds - but the Vulcans have always been there to act as their conscience and to inject some cold, hard logic into the mix.

It'd just be cool to see them get *****slapped, see Humanity act all responsible and ****, then decide that they were no longer needed to temper the wildfires of Federation optimism and Human drive.

The Vulcans have always known that Mankind would eventually surpass them, and they've basically stuck with the Federation to keep an eye on Humanity - to make sure they don't do anything stupid with their power.

I think it's about time they stepped aside. And it'd be a helluva significant moment in Star Trek history.
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
Hm...
I watched Star Treck very often, but there was always something, that I don't like.
Humans were just to nice, to friendly, to morally. :)

I mean Babylon 5 shows Humans, like they really are: EVIL. Just look at President Clark or Bester. :D *cough*

Even in B5 we had the knights in shining armor: Sinclair, Sheridan, Marcus, Ivanova, hell even Garibaldi...

You could even argue that both Londo and G'Kar were too, though they both did some dumb things in the name of what was best for their people.
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Maybe that's why I liked Babylon 5 more, it just had more......emotion.
Though I never watched Star Trek enough to judge it properly...perhaps, just perhaps, I will give it a little chance in the future.
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
Mirror Universe Story, where everyone is evil.

We know that they gained tech from the future and Hoshi became emperess. (Enterprise)

We know that Kirk got his tech and rose through the ranks. (ToS)

LARGE GAP!!!!   < This story needs telling, huge space battles, seeing earth get pwned, watching bad decisions by a command that would rather backstab the next up and comming captain than help win a war they're losing so they waste resources in no win scenarios for that captain which ultimately leads to the destruction of the empire, etc.>

Then way in the future we know that the terran empire was wiped out by the klingons and other races. (DS9)
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the borg were like the shivans of star trek. it took voyager to screw that up. then they have to finish them off. thats sick. those people who came up with that story need to be shot.
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
Ok, now for my opinion; I think whatever new direction Star Trek takes, it should COMPLETELY avoid Star Trek politics, because they're mostly contrived and follow an outdated policy. Give the people a coherent storyline, which is what everyone wants these days in their sci fi adventures: a big space opera plot that they can follow; the adventure of the week format is a little long in the tooth, and provides no area for character development.  The biggest problem with Star Trek right now is that A) It's obsessed with technobabble, B) the starships don't feel like starships, and C) everything's too perfect.

How to fix:

A) STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. Technology isn't magic, it has limits. Star Trek writers should introduce a "tech cap" where they can't "modify the dylithium crystal matrix" to solve every problem that comes around. Giving people a limit to what they can do reintroduces tension. In TNG, that limit wasn't there, so you KNEW that they'd solve the problem with just a couple engine core tweaks.

B) Give us back bunks and heroic captains and laser battles. The thing that really made me feel that "wow...this isn't a starship, it's a pleasure liner with guns" was how the GUEST ROOMS in TNG were these giant three room apartments. I know it's the whole "city in space" idea, but you don't give every two crewmen a three room apartment. In TOS they slept in bunk beds in massive crew quarters, with bulkheads right next to them. You went "that's a starship, look, I can see the metal plating" not "thats a room with a view at downtown Chicago". I also want Captains that don't study Shakespear and learn seven different langauges in their spare time; I just don't relate to that. I know the whole "working to better themselves" mentality is at work in Picard's character, but please; we can't relate to wanting to study twenty times a day, or working without pay. Give us a captain that's heroic, but also human, where we can go "I want to be him". Also, give us space battles! I mean, they're starships! With guns! Blow something up for chrissakes!

C) Just STAY AWAY FROM THE ISSUE. Don't talk about it; introduce contradictions into it. My favorite new idea for a series is a Black Sheep type ship of the line, that's crewed with misfits and the like; it stays away from the "perfect universe" of usual Trek, but still GIVES us Trek.


Now, a lot of what I said may sound like TNG bashing; don't get me wrong, I really do like the ships and crews. I'm a TOS fanboy to be sure, but that's also because I like that TOS is much more real and down to Earth. They're both great series, it's just that TNG is what most people are basing their shows/games/whatever off of these days, so that's what I pick on most.

 

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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
All my suggestions boil down to scrapping Trek and making something more like the newer breeds of sci-fi (Farscape, Firefly), so I have little to contribute.

 

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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
the borg were like the shivans of star trek. it took voyager to screw that up. then they have to finish them off. thats sick. those people who came up with that story need to be shot.

I'm sure they could find a way around that. In First Contact, a borg queen is killed. They do it again in Voyager. Sure they blow up the main uni-complex or whatever, but I'm sure there's a couple more out there (they could just say so anyway). What with 6 trans-warp hubs and whatnot. Either that, or the borg'll use some time travel thing. Whatever.

What pisses me off is that the borg were the "oh crap we're effed" species (TNG). When Q sent the Enterprise-D out there, and when Captain Picard was assimilated, those were some serious "oh eff" moments. I like that. Makes the Federation seem not quite so invincible. Voyager kinda ruined that. And then, "We'll just replace the borg with some other species (8472)." Bleh.

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Give us a captain that's heroic, but also human, where we can go "I want to be him".

Captain Picard's character is the most noble, honorable, wise, intelligent, (all heroic qualities) yet also human (falls in love, gives it up, wants revenge against the borg, and so on...) person I could ever know. Personally, I wouldn't mind being him (save for being old  :p ).
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
I agree. Plus, The Next Generation had "The Inner Light", which I think was one of the best pieces of writing for sci-fi television ever done.
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I really think star trek should just be considered over. It's not that I have any dislike of the universe, its that it seems like with Voyager and Enterprise, people are focusing on making the story of star trek work over and over, and then it gets old and wooden. I really think Sci Fi is best when the creators are dealing with original content. You can pull sci fi off the shelf from different periods in history and see which major influences were affecting the creators, which issues appealed to the masses. I think keeping a universe around causes it to become obviously dated and tired.

Star trek doesn't have a lot of room to go forward into totally new territory. Everything is so defined in the technobabble books and piles of show references that trying to throw in new sci fi ideas will meet resistance and jiggawattage weapon specification geek fights. I think its high time that star trek went the way of the old flash gorden shows. Something that we can still watch and enjoy, but something that should not be forced to continue when the next great generation of sci-fi could be under creation instead.

 

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I agree. Plus, The Next Generation had "The Inner Light", which I think was one of the best pieces of writing for sci-fi television ever done.
WHEN!? I've played that bloody piece in an Orchestra a few times, thouht it was fantastic, but i've never heard it on any TNG episode i've ever seen! How!? When!? Where!? What!? WHO!!??

 

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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
You know, I was a big fan of TNG... but... I can't escape this niggling feeling that I've seen enough of the Star Trek universe. After a bazillion series (that's right, I'm so apathetic I can't even be bothered to count them) I think they must have pretty much covered every single angle imaginable. A book can only have so many pages. No need to tag on any more chapters.
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
They need a proper war.

The Dominion War was cool and all, but it dealt with the horrors of war in a very PG-13 kinda way. They should make a more realistic series - kinda like 24 where anyone can die at any moment - with new people getting shipped in to replace the dead, instead of having invincible characters.

The single best thing DS9 ever did was The Second Battle of Chintoka. The fleet got whupped, the Defiant got blown to pieces and the entire Alliance instantly became little more than cannon fodder.
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
[q]I also want Captains that don't study Shakespear and learn seven different langauges in their spare time; I just don't relate to that. I know the whole "working to better themselves" mentality is at work in Picard's character, but please; we can't relate to wanting to study twenty times a day, or working without pay.[/q]

Ah, so you want to dumb it down for those that lack the ability to see beyond their own persona?
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Uh, no, I want realistic characters. He's a starship captain, not a playwrite. Sure, he falls in love and has issues, but in reality, none of them are permanent. They are all conveniently solved at the end of the episode, and almost never reappear again, thanks to the "Make everything happy" button at the end of every episode. I mean, he got taken over by the freaking BORG and in the next episode he's happily chugging away.

 

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 I am a fourth year computing science student at university now, does that mean I can't have other interests that I am passionate about and have great knowledge of? What's the difference?

Damn your lightening fast editing skills.
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I think Picard was the model of Stafleet leadership because he was so well-rounded intellectually. It made me trust him more because I knew he wasn't just some grunt who thought that his moral principles were all he needed to brave the universe. He knew his way around the cultures of his species. Besides, anti-intellectualism ****ing pisses me off.

EDIT: Sorry, Mefustae, I forgot about your question. "The Inner Light" is TNG Season 5, Episode 25.
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