[Grug]

http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=127909&region=7

Nationalist MPs in the Indonesian Parliament have criticised a decision by the Howard government to issue temporary protection visas to 42 people from the Indonesian province of Papua.

Indonesia has always hated Australia, but sometimes I really get worked up against there retarded excuse for a government.
Why should they even care if we grant asylum, just a handful less of people to force their governing ways onto them. Seriously, the UN should just walk in and clean up Indonesia before they turn around and **** themselves yet again with civil strife.

I'm curious as to why the Howard government allowed this bunch in though. Literally thousands apply for asylum every year, and its usually responded with a trip back to where they came from.

But yeah, get ****ed indonesia.

[Flipside]

They are only temporary anyway, probably will get revoked once whatever mess they are in is cleared up...

[NGTM-1R]

Indonesia is one of those countries nobody would attack because the problems posed by the terrain itself are near insoluable, nevermind their military.

[Mefustae]

Why compare Indonesia to Iraq? I see absolutely no similarites between this situation and that cluster-f*** in the Middle East.

[Rictor]

Yeah. Unless you think it's likely that Bush is going to invade a (relatively) trusted ally nation of several hundred million people.

[IceFire]

Indonesia is one of those countries nobody would attack because the problems posed by the terrain itself are near insoluable, nevermind their military.

Definate problems...although the Japanese and the Allied armies (Australian and American mostly) fought all through that area.  It wasn't impossible...just rediculously hard.  Not sure why, at the moment, Indonesia is being compared to Iraq mind you.  Its not the most stable place in the world...but its not Iraq.

[Grug]

I wasn't necessarily comparing it to Iraq, just suggesting that one day it may be regarded along similar lines. It may not be important to some, but for some it would be hard to point out Australia and Indonesia on a map...

Australia and Indonesia have very sketchy relationships, especially with a lot of the stuff going on recently with drug busts etc (a few of which are often set ups or planted). They've never liked Australia since East Timor really...

If we didn't have such powerfull allies, I have little doubt they would try to invade Australia or have a more frontal national policy towards us.

Its just a mentality over here, Indonesia (primarily the government) seems to dislike us and that is therefore a threat. I doubt we'll ever do anything over it, but one day they will for sure, and all hell will break loose. =/

Bali and the such used to be big tourist places. The bombings there were more than likely a specific targeting towards Australia.

[Grug]

http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=127923&region=7

Indonesia has recalled its ambassador to Canberra amid a furore over Australia's decision to grant temporary visas to 42 asylum seekers from the restive Papua province.

Indonesian foreign ministry spokesman Yuri Thamrin said that its envoy would be called back to Jakarta for "consultations" with foreign ministry officials over the matter.
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The spokesman said Australia's decision to grant temporary visas to 42 of a group of 43 Papuan asylum seekers will damage relations between the two countries.

The Papuans, who include pro-independence activists and their families, have accused Indonesia of "genocide" in the troubled province.
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Australia has sought to hose down the row, which threatens to become the worst diplomatic crisis between the two neighbours since the 1999 East Timor independence referendum.
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The province of Papua, also known as West Papua or Irian Jaya, is the western half of the island that is also home to Papua New Guinea, and is a former Dutch colony taken over by Indonesia in the 1960s.

Rights groups claim that tens of thousands of people have been killed in the mineral-rich region since separatist violence began in the 1970s.

So the plot thickens.

Australia and Indonesia are going to end up in a **** fight over this. =/
All because the Indonesian's didn't get to get at a handful of so called pro-independence people. This is going to get worse before it gets better.

[Fragrag]

Being an Indonesian, I feel I should try and defend my country, problem is, I've barely lived there. And since I'm only 13, I don't really follow politics that much.

[Grug]

My row is with the government, and select corrupted parties and their supporters. I used to have some friends that lived there so got a bit more on the side of inside reports. While ago now though.

The problem is the government is fragmented, maybe not as bad as it used to be, but it still is. Whoever the rebels are one week, are the legitimit government to the world the next. It, many other countries with similar situations, and the world for allowing it, just disgruntles me.

Where do you live now Fragrag btw? (if you don't mind my asking)

Ed: I have a couple of good friends from PNG too, some of the stuff that goes on there is pretty similar at times.

[Kosh]

Being an Indonesian, I feel I should try and defend my country, problem is, I've barely lived there. And since I'm only 13, I don't really follow politics that much.

Blind nationalism/patriotism will cause nothing but trouble.

[Fragrag]

Where do you live now Fragrag btw? (if you don't mind my asking)

Belgium, Antwerp.

[Black Wolf]

If we didn't have such powerfull allies, I have little doubt they would try to invade Australia or have a more frontal national policy towards us.

They'd try, and they'd fail./ They have a lot of people, but their technology is pretty much third world - their boats'd be bombed to **** before a single indonesian hit aussie soil. And besides - there's so much internal strife over there, they'd never manage the local coordination to mount any serious invasion.

Australia and Indonesia are going to end up in a **** fight over this. =/
All because the Indonesian's didn't get to get at a handful of so called pro-independence people. This is going to get worse before it gets better.

It doesn't really matter. Indonesia needs Australia a lot more than we need them.

[Grug]

Hmm, perhaps.
I guess we'll just see it through like everything else. *shrugs*
I'm more worried about what John Howard is going to do to our country then others atm actually. =/

[Grug]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18639063-2,00.html

TOP Indonesian officials have refused to pay tribute to the nine Australians killed last year helping Nias Island's earthquake victims.
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Officials in Jakarta have also delayed signing a $10 million agreement on Australian assistance to fight bird flu and banned Australian Greens senator Kerry Nettle from travelling to West Papua.

Separately, demonstrators have daubed obscenities on the walls of the Australian embassy in Jakarta in protest, as local police stood by in silence.
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Nationalist Indonesian MPs have since called for diplomatic ties with Australia to be cut, and for their Government to turn a blind eye to illegal immigrants who use Indonesia as a staging point to get to Australia.

The escalating tensions between the two nations come 12 months after the relationship was heralded as reaching new heights in the wake of Australia's aid effort after the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami and an earthquake last March.

... and so the situation worsens. =/

[Black Wolf]

So? **** 'em. They cut diplomatic ties, we cut aid.

[Mefustae]

They cut diplomatic ties, we cut aid...

...and six seconds later, they reopen diplomatic ties.

[Grug]

Heh. Indeedily. But I think mining the northern waters above Australia is an option...

(LoL @ your sig btw Mefustae. Browncoats FTW!)

[Grug]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18721132-2,00.html

INDONESIA has increased navy patrols in the waters between Papua and Australia amid claims more Papuan asylum seekers have landed in Australia and as the country's President railed against foreign "meddling" in the restive province.
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There were fresh demonstrations outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta today.

Right. So they post a rude cartoon in their papers, an Australian paper retaliates by doing a similar cartoon. Then they hold protests at our embassy?
Hypocritical ****s, who the hell do they think they are kidding. =/