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Offline jr2

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Re: Shivan Intention Theories
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Problem with them being locks:

The final cutscene of the game is pretty explicit about the fact that the Knossos tech allowed them to get back to Earth.
It's a doorway, a portal... it's easy: included with the door is its lock!  I mean, if you managed to build a device that could let you travel back and forth between huge, previously uncharted distances, it'd make sense to have a way to lock the door behind you if you found something unfriendly, right?
Bosch just unlocked the door and let the Shivans in.
Although, how did the Shivans blow up the Ancients?  Maybe they picked the lock?

 

Offline Mars

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Re: Shivan Intention Theories
The Shivans didn't need the Knossos to travel to the Ancients systems, remember that the Shivans can travel through nodes the GTVA and possibley the Ancients, cannot, in Ross 128, Ikeya and Antares.

 

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The Shivans didn't need the Knossos to travel to the Ancients systems, remember that the Shivans can travel through nodes the GTVA and possibley the Ancients, cannot, in Ross 128, Ikeya and Antares.

hi,
or maybe the travel is much lager without the gama dragonis knossos.
the gate was a shortcut, and without the gate, the travel is many years long.
we doesnt know where the gate end, in which part of the galaxy and where the next system is in our galaxy behind the nebular.
maybe this are over 100 or 1000 lightyears and you have to travel thourgh many system, if you want to go to this place without the knossos.

i mean the cutsequencen in Freespace, only say that the ancients retrieve to thier homeworld, and that than came the destoryer.
there was no directly allegation of time, between the retrieve and the arrival of the shivans.
maybe there that think, now we are save over 100 years but then came there nightmare back.
maybe thats the reason why they think the gods of the univeres are irate.

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Re: Shivan Intention Theories
My personal theory is that certain Shivan ships (Rakashasa, Moloch, Sathanas) and ships with beam cannons cannot go through those nodes, still, assuming the Ancients were no more formidable than the Terrans and Vasudans, the Shivans could have wiped them out without such technology.

 

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That's not a big question at all.
The Sathanas that first powers up the disturbance(it's only an impression,but I think it was the same that destroyed the Colossus)and the other 2 continue to create the disturbance when other Juggernauts jump out.
The red lights ont the Juggernauts turn off,as on the contrary they became more intense during the first phase of the disturbance.
It's just a reactor failure,a Shivan mistake occurred or a sacrifice of the Juggernauts(the number of the Sath went down remains little, compared to the escaped ones).
We don't know if this sacrifice was useless,but seeing those Sathanas being vanquished was,in my opinion,a little victory for the GTVA.
But just a little victory...hundreds of civilians,terran and vasudan officers & pilots perished when Capella turned into a Supernova.
The real problem is that we'll probably never see FS3.What we consider the final outcome of this story was considered by the creators to be just the bridge for the FS3 background.

 
Re: Shivan Intention Theories
Do they really need 80 or so of these monsters to nuke a star?  I would imagine they wouldn't, the Shivans giving themselves at least a few spare in case the GTVA just got really lucky.  It would be pretty bad if they managed to reach another star (and perhaps they can't due to supply constraints) and nuked it, too.  :shaking:  I mean, it would take weeks to try to eliminate 80 of them from behind without a Colossus.

Not necessarily weeks, and a collossus isnt necessary to take out a sathanas. It only takes about 25-30 minutes per sathy if you have 3 packs of helios in a boanerges. 15-20 minutes if you lag bomb (you cant lag bomb in single player nor if your the host of the game).

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Out of curiosity, has anyone stuck an Orion behind a Sathanas?  Especially if it had fighter cover (to eliminate the rear beam), the Orion I imagine could cause serious grief to the Sathanas...

Orion wouldnt do crap unless you have it modified to have beams at places where they were not intended(via fred). and even then it wont do much. Hecate can do much more damage then an orion. :p

 

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Re: Shivan Intention Theories
Hecate doesn't do much, if any more damage than an Orion, as a matter of fact, I'm inclined to think the Orion does more. Anyway, an Orion would need to have beams with the "supercap" flag in order to damage a juggernaught.

 

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Re: Shivan Intention Theories
Orion wouldnt do crap unless you have it modified to have beams at places where they were not intended(via fred). and even then it wont do much. Hecate can do much more damage then an orion. :p

Orion: Capable of bringing up to 2 BGreen and 2 Terslash to bear on a single target. (Although it may be 3 BGreen and 1 Terslash...my memory of the portside batteries is a little fuzzy. It's got three guns and they're all anticap, plus the chin turret.)
Hecate: Up to 1 BGreen and 1 Terslash on a single target.

The Orion is thus able to bring to bear at least twice the firepower on a single target.
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Offline AlphaOne

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I tend to agree the Orion can bring to bare almost twice the number of anticap beams then a Hecate.

P.S. I need a node map that is at least twice as large as the styandard FS2 nodemap. Can anyone help me out at this???

It's really important. If it can be even bigger i mean like 3 times bigger(plus the adequete number of sistem) it would be great!
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Offline Mars

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There's a lot of non-canon node maps all over this forum, do a search and you'll find somthing.

 

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Re: Shivan Intention Theories
All beams have a supercap flag..

A Orion right next to the Sath is even more deadlier than behind it.
Sath has no beams capable of shooting left or right and hte Orion can give him a full broadside.

Actually, I let the Sath and Orion fight like that and hte Orion won...the Sath couldn't turn to face the Orion as the Orion kept following it... Even though the Sath is faster, as soon as it pulled away a bit it tried to turn, and hte Orion caught up and then they started from the top :D
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Re: Shivan Intention Theories
No, no trashman, all of YOUR beams have the supercap flag.

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Re: Shivan Intention Theories
Trashman uses his own special version of the tables, so you've got to take all comparisons he makes with a grain of salt.
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I've come to realize this, but thanks for the tip.

 

Offline AlphaOne

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well as far as i know even a Deimos could bring down a Sath ive the right circumstances but..then again theres no such thing as a perfect flag or GTVA command havin actual brains.

Well another theory that i thought of about the whole shivans blowing up the star was that in fact they wanted to seel off a doorway. I dont exactly know why and for whom but it is clear that they didnt have any intention of wiping out the GTVA.

And in theyr own special way they actuali wanted to protect the GTVA from something else. Of course this would actualy involve anothe uber race but then again thats not the case. They could even be other shivans. Perhaps another splinter group of the shivans who take theyr job of cosmic destroyers a bit too far. Also there are hints to sugest that the shivans that destroyed the Ancients are not the same as the ones the GTVA fought in the second war.I mean no othe Lucy was sighted, no other planetari bombardment no sistematic clensing of the star sistems. Hel if they wanted they could of raced fo the Gama Draconis and beta aquilae sistems faster then it would of took the GTVA to mount a defense or colapse the nodes.

So I tend to believe that in a twisted way they actualy wanted to protect the GTVA.

At least fo a little while. I mean the GTVA has now the Knossos tech. and you can rest asured that by the time the GTVA finishes the second Knossos device its milatary will have a lot better and more powerfull ships. And hey who knows even the GTVA high command might actualy start thinking and actualy formulate a tactic which makes sense.

Oh well the last part i doubht but nonetheless eventualy the GTVA will emerge even more powerfull then the last time. Perhaps powerfull enough to chalange even the shivans.
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Re: Shivan Intention Theories
Trashman uses his own special version of the tables, so you've got to take all comparisons he makes with a grain of salt.

public Ship makeABox(int noOfRightAngles){
...
if(fighterbay<normalfighterbay){
  while(!ridiculous){
  beams ++;
  turrets ++;
  armour ++;
  engines ++;
 }
}
...
}

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I tend to think the GTVA will be investing in monitor type warships (warships that are basically mobile battleship cannons essentially) as a low cost solution to threats that might arrise. These would be about the size of corvettes, and would be escorted by corvette and cruiser class warships, as well as fighters. They would not be effective warships, just effective countermesures.

 

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I tend to think the GTVA will be investing in monitor type warships (warships that are basically mobile battleship cannons essentially) as a low cost solution to threats that might arrise. These would be about the size of corvettes, and would be escorted by corvette and cruiser class warships, as well as fighters. They would not be effective warships, just effective countermesures.

I don't think it's exactly a low cost option if it requires that size of escort.

 

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I mean a corvette or a cruiser, sorry, I didn't mean to conjure up images of an armada.

 

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Re: Shivan Intention Theories
public Ship makeABox(int noOfRightAngles){
...
if(fighterbay<normalfighterbay){
  while(!ridiculous){
  beams ++;
  turrets ++;
  armour ++;
  engines ++;
 }
}
...
}

:nervous:

You know, I wasn't going to go there.  But since you did, well, :lol:
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Last edited by StratComm on 08-23-2027 at 08:34 PM