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Re: Many injured in Tel Aviv blast
hey, it seems that with the entier government run by a terrorist organisation there able to get organised enough to manage a way around the fence finaly.
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Re: Many injured in Tel Aviv blast
dude, Hamas and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade aren't the same group
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Re: Many injured in Tel Aviv blast
hey, it seems that with the entier government run by a terrorist organisation there able to get organised enough to manage a way around the fence finaly.
Let's not get sucked back into the old HAMAS arguement, this is a different group.

 

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To be fair, the initial link - when i posted it - had only a 'breaking news' headline and the briefest of information, so it wasn't clear who was responsible at that point.  Of course, let's remember that Hamas might not have carried out this attack, and they may not wish to emperil their position by doing so whilst elected, but if they knowingly permit any terrorist group to operate in the territory they now govern, they still carry a burden of guilt for that.

 

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Actually it's two different groups. Although they have carried out joint operations in the past.
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Ma nishtana ha'laila ha'zeh, mi'kol ha'leilot? :rolleyes:
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Re: Many injured in Tel Aviv blast
Speak English boay...
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Re: Many injured in Tel Aviv blast
about the whole Iran thing...

how exactly would they employ a nuclear weapon so as to destroy israel and yet not harm the third holiest site in Islam, the Masjid Al-Aqsa, which is smack in the middle?  I have a feeling that the reason that Iran wants nuclear weapons is the same reason that we wanted them during the Cold War.   Its reeeeally bad for balance of power when one side has nukes and the other doesn't
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about the whole Iran thing... blah blah blah
:wtf: How did we get onto Iran? It's a valid point, but go post it in the Iran's Nuclear Ambitions/US Nuclear strong-arming thread.

 

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yeah I supose your right, muslums never bomb there own holy sites to get at the infedel...
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Re: Many injured in Tel Aviv blast
about the whole Iran thing... blah blah blah
:wtf: How did we get onto Iran? It's a valid point, but go post it in the Iran's Nuclear Ambitions/US Nuclear strong-arming thread.


i guess i kinda went on a tangent in my mind

bombing israel -> israel is bad -> us support :( -> us ****ty foreign policy -> iraq -> iran


edit:  i say many times that im not the biggest israel fan.  the same is not true about israelis.  i haven't met an israeli that i didnt like.   of course i've only met two...  but they were both nice people
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Re: Many injured in Tel Aviv blast
about the whole Iran thing...

how exactly would they employ a nuclear weapon so as to destroy israel and yet not harm the third holiest site in Islam, the Masjid Al-Aqsa, which is smack in the middle?  I have a feeling that the reason that Iran wants nuclear weapons is the same reason that we wanted them during the Cold War.   Its reeeeally bad for balance of power when one side has nukes and the other doesn't

I'm all for peace, and I most definately don't want the US or Israel to start a war or destabilise the entire Middle East by attacking these sites, but Iran (rather, their ruling fundamentalists) and in particular Ahmadinejad are a bunch of anti-semitic loonies who would probably rather destroy a Muslim holy site than have 'infidels' anywhere near it.  That is not to assume they want them for the purposes of nuking Israel; I think it's most likely Iran do want them and  - like N.Korea - it's largely down to fear of a US invasion.  But given what Ahmadinejad has said in the past about wanting to wipe Israel of the map, you can understand the worries there.

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[q]Sami Abu Zuhri, the official spokesman for Hamas, said the attack was "a natural result of the continued Israeli crimes" against Palestinians.

"Our people are in a state of self-defence and they have every right to use all means to defend themselves," he added. [/q]

Bunch of arseholes.  I know Israel have been shelling Gaza a lot (150 rounds a day IIRC), to add a bit of context to what's been happening and the claimed justification, but there's still no ****ing excuse for terrorism.  What do they expect this sort of thing achieves?  Violence begets violence - we've seen it for the last 4 or 5 decades - and they can at least be honest and admit it's all down to sectarian hatred and propagating the violence that gives them 'strength' rather than any desire to help people.
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Bunch of arseholes.  I know Israel have been shelling Gaza a lot (150 rounds a day IIRC), to add a bit of context to what's been happening and the claimed justification, but there's still no ****ing excuse for terrorism.

Mind you, we've been shelling the empty fields that the daily barrage of Kassam rockets have been fired from. You make it sound as if we're discriminately shelling Gaza up one side and down the other. I know you probably don't hear much - if anything - about the Kassam firings, since so far there's basically been no injuries or damage (who said they don't believe in miracles again?), but if you'd like, I could post every time I hear in the news of another Kassam falling in Ashkelon.
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Bunch of arseholes.  I know Israel have been shelling Gaza a lot (150 rounds a day IIRC), to add a bit of context to what's been happening and the claimed justification, but there's still no ****ing excuse for terrorism.

Mind you, we've been shelling the empty fields that the daily barrage of Kassam rockets have been fired from. You make it sound as if we're discriminately shelling Gaza up one side and down the other. I know you probably don't hear much - if anything - about the Kassam firings, since so far there's basically been no injuries or damage (who said they don't believe in miracles again?), but if you'd like, I could post every time I hear in the news of another Kassam falling in Ashkelon.

Hey, I'm not offering any sort of justification.  i'm just saying, Israel has been firing artillery into farmland, fields, etc.  And some people get killed.  And they bomb you, you shell them, they fire rockets, you send in tanks, they blow up a bus, you send an airstrike... ultimately the first one to do it doesn't matter, because every individual act that results in an innocent death is wrong, regardless of intent or justification.

 

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The first one to do it doesn't matter? Can I quote you on that next time there's a debate about the 1967 war?
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The first one to do it doesn't matter because you have to go back 40 years to figure out who that is.

Someone has to not act like a big spoilt baby and be the first one not to do it.
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The first one to do it doesn't matter? Can I quote you on that next time there's a debate about the 1967 war?

Yes.  Try and remember the meaning behind it, too - there is no crime, no act, in the world that can justify the death of an innocent in response.

 

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dude, Hamas and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade aren't the same group

doesn't matter really: they all want to kill jews and destroy israel.
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dude, Hamas and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade aren't the same group

doesn't matter really: they all want to kill jews and destroy israel.

Hamas mostly does schools and hospitals actually.  they just fund the fighters discreetly.  they do alot more good than bad, believe it or not.
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