[Kazan]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/19/mcclellan/index.html

[Corsair]

Interesting shakeup.

[Deepblue]

I would have never guessed the true subject of this thread had I not read the author's name.

[vyper]

I would never have guessed it had I not read the link. Anyway: This is just a typical "we'll bump some people who matter less" instead of the man people are blood-lusting for.

[Turambar]

unlike evolution, israel-palestine, and the existence of god,  i think most people can pretty much agree that this administration is comprised mostly of crooks.

[vyper]

Being misguided doesn't make you a crook. An idiot maybe, but not a crook.

[Kazan]

they're more than misguided

[NGTM-1R]

they're more than misguided

Can you geninuely peer inside their heads, using l33t m3nt4l p0\/\/3rz! now, or what?

[Kazan]

they're more than misguided

Can you geninuely peer inside their heads, using l33t m3nt4l p0\/\/3rz! now, or what?

don't have to

how many times do they have to engage in criminal activity before people will admit the administration is criminal?

Warrantless Wiretapping: violation of the constitution and the FISA
Leak of CIA Operatives name: violation of top secret security acts [considered treason], engandering our national security by rendering useless a shell organization, all it's employees and their contacts
Holding people without trival: violation of the constitution

and on and on

[Bobboau]

well it seems there is more disagreement than he thought. we can all agree that Bush sucks though, right?

[Grug]

*Glad he lives in Hobbiton*

[Deepblue]

they're more than misguided

Can you geninuely peer inside their heads, using l33t m3nt4l p0\/\/3rz! now, or what?

don't have to

how many times do they have to engage in criminal activity before people will admit the administration is criminal?

Warrantless Wiretapping: violation of the constitution and the FISA

Interesting that FISA has upheld it repeatedly then.

What do you have to say about that?

[Bobboau]

country's fuct?

[Kazan]

Interesting that FISA has upheld it repeatedly then.

What do you have to say about that?

um.... wtf are you talking about? since when has it? the court cases are still in play

he _violated_ FISA and the constitution by not getting warrants

[Turambar]

bill gets all kinda **** for gettin blowed and lying about it

bush comes in, lies about wmd's, starts a war, resulting in thousands of american deaths (the only ones that seem to matter on the news here), monitors phones without warrants, and lets his oil buddies do all sorts of corrupt ****

and he hasnt gotten any official **** (i.e. impeachment) from anybody.

why?

[Kazan]

Clinton: Democrat
Congress Under Clinton: Republican

Bush: Republican
Congress Under Bush: Republican


the clinton impeachment wasn't about the law and a perceived violation of it (they defined "sexual relations" in court in a manner in which he did not commit perjury) - it was a which hunt. 

[phreak]

vote with a bullet

[NGTM-1R]

he _violated_ FISA and the constitution by not getting warrants

I highly recommend you learn to, y'know, read. There have never been requirements for a warrent on wiretapping any phonecall that goes to a foriegn county. Only domestic phonecalls.

The answer on the impeachment is because he didn't lie. The brillant folks at the CIA really did think there were MWDs. A leader is no better then his information.

[Turambar]

are you actually defending bush?


*goes off to sharpen axe*

[Kazan]

he _violated_ FISA and the constitution by not getting warrants

I highly recommend you learn to, y'know, read. There have never been requirements for a warrent on wiretapping any phonecall that goes to a foriegn county. Only domestic phonecalls.

you seem to be unable to comphrend something

he is monitoring phonecalls involving domestic parties and claiming the FISA allows him to do so - it does if he gets a warrant either before hand or within a 72 hour retroactive period.  He is not getting warrants while listening to the phone calls of US citizens, it is also possible [due to this lack of oversight] that he is listening to wholly domestic calls.

The answer on the impeachment is because he didn't lie. The brillant folks at the CIA really did think there were MWDs. A leader is no better then his information.

no, they didn't.  The intelligence reports you are making reference to are the same ones bush did.  They said "there is this evidence that he has WMD, but there is this BETTER evidence that he does not"

bush merely redacted everything after the comma.

you've been hoodwinked