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Offline ARSPR

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compatibility digression
Goober, can you post any of the expected errors/conflicts, please?.

I ask you this because as I have also Port 2.3, I've made another folder for shared components (movies, common fs1 vps, fsport_shine.vp and some more). I load this folder contents with SecondryList in each Port's MOD.INI. In this way my fsport_shine.vp is ALWAYS loaded AFTER fsport2_3.vp or fsport3_0.vp BUT I haven't noticed anything wrong (at least VERY noticeably wrong).

Thank you.
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Offline Goober5000

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Re: Important Compatibility Notice
I don't know the expected errors or conflicts.  The only way I discovered it was by naming awakenings.vp to fsport_awakenings.vp.  The name must be fsport-awakenings for it to have proper priority.

This only matters if you have an installed campaign with a file (such as a table or texture) that's supposed to override the main vp.

 

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Re: Important Compatibility Notice
Well I have been digging in fsport3_0_3.vp and in previous fsport_xxx.vp and I've seen that only cruiser01-xxx.pcx and cruiser01b-xxx.pcx are inside both and ARE different; fsport3_0_3 comes with very ugly low res maps. I would take the bitmaps from fsport_hi-res.vp or any other place to update oficial fsport 3.0 release. Or just include all the bitmaps, shinemaps and glowmaps from fspor_shine, _hi-res and _glow to save time and future trouble.

(And if you do that, please remember to include the afterburner trails patch Backslash did: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,38673.msg801767.html#msg801767)


EDITED:

And I've noticed more strange things in Windows sorting (at least in explorer). With some test files I obtain the following order within FSPort folder:
fsport0hi-res.vp
fsport3_0_3.vp
fsport_hi-res.vp
fsport_missions.vp
fsport-hi-res.vp
kk1.txt
kk_a.txt
kk-a.txt
ll1.txt
ll-.txt
ll_.txt

...


So in my WinXP SP2 _ goes "normally" before - BUT it is always AFTER any number.


« Last Edit: April 24, 2006, 10:50:50 am by ARSPR »
IF YOU HAVE TROUBLES WITH FS2:
  • Please, please, please, READ and UNDERSTAND the sticky threads in FreeSpace & FreeSpace Open Support board.
    A lot of people are willing to help you, but, as anyone can understand, seeing the very same "issues" repeated again and again can become quite depressing. Please, spend a bit of time trying to solve the issue by yourself.
    (Lobo deserves a monument).
  • Then, if you aren't still able to solve your issue, feel free to ask for help in that same board.
    FYI, most of the troubles are caused by wrong mod installations which lead to either missing data or undesired cross-effects between them. Always follow the mod installation instructions and keep a clean FS2 installation as explained in the sticky threads. Two additional links about how the game handles game data:
  • If you think that you've discovered a bug, mantis it.
    Provide as much info as you can, and try to narrow it down. A lonely "FS2 doesn't work" is not a good report.

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Offline Goober5000

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Re: Important Compatibility Notice
Well I have been digging in fsport3_0_3.vp and in previous fsport_xxx.vp and I've seen that only cruiser01-xxx.pcx and cruiser01b-xxx.pcx are inside both and ARE different; fsport3_0_3 comes with very ugly low res maps. I would take the bitmaps from fsport_hi-res.vp or any other place to update oficial fsport 3.0 release. Or just include all the bitmaps, shinemaps and glowmaps from fspor_shine, _hi-res and _glow to save time and future trouble.

That's by design.  The additional VP files are completely optional.

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And I've noticed more strange things in Windows sorting (at least in explorer). With some test files I obtain the following order within FSPort folder:
...
So in my WinXP SP2 _ goes "normally" before - BUT it is always AFTER any number.

Don't worry about what Explorer does.  The only thing that matters is the order in which it's loaded by FS2.

 

Offline ARSPR

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Re: Important Compatibility Notice
Forget what I've said about Fenris and Leviathan textures because they are not normally used. It's not worth to update them in port.

1. Fenris is cruiser01.pof (ships.tbl in fsport3_0_3.vp). This model doesn't exist in port so it is directly loaded from mv_models.vp. But cruiser01.pof in mv_models doesn't use "cruiser01-xxx" textures but "Fenris-xxx".

2. Levy is cruiser01b.pof (ships.tbl in fsport3_0_3.vp) and this model does exist in port. But this time mv_models has a modular table (mv_models-shp.tbm) that changes the model to cruiser01x.pof which is the standar FS2 Levy model. This model doesn't use "cruiser01b-xxx".
IF YOU HAVE TROUBLES WITH FS2:
  • Please, please, please, READ and UNDERSTAND the sticky threads in FreeSpace & FreeSpace Open Support board.
    A lot of people are willing to help you, but, as anyone can understand, seeing the very same "issues" repeated again and again can become quite depressing. Please, spend a bit of time trying to solve the issue by yourself.
    (Lobo deserves a monument).
  • Then, if you aren't still able to solve your issue, feel free to ask for help in that same board.
    FYI, most of the troubles are caused by wrong mod installations which lead to either missing data or undesired cross-effects between them. Always follow the mod installation instructions and keep a clean FS2 installation as explained in the sticky threads. Two additional links about how the game handles game data:
  • If you think that you've discovered a bug, mantis it.
    Provide as much info as you can, and try to narrow it down. A lonely "FS2 doesn't work" is not a good report.

Whoever Hanlon was: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Albert Einstein: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.

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