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Offline Deepblue

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
FYI, they had been working on a new IP. Seems more along the lines of something like Myth from the concept art in the Bungie folder on Craig Mullins website.

 

Offline Flaser

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
The prime reason why timetravel usually puts people off is that no ****ing movie has ever got it right so far (except "12 Monkeys").

It's not widely known, but FTL automatically means timetravel capability (Check out Project Rho for details.)
The whole thing boils down to the fact that FTL contradicts either of these:
a) Relativistic physics (ergo if there is FTL, then Einstein's theory is wrong) - not likely AFAIK
b) Casuality (the cause precedes the effect) - could be...

OR:

c) There is a galactic censure that prevents paradoxons - actually there is evidence for this too...

There are two ways
a) You can't change the past...or the future. You play your part in the events, but once playout, things are set in stone. (censure case)
b) Time is not linear and there are more paralel timelines with different histories. (void casuality case). Thius pretty much means that the fate of the universe doesn't really matter to anyone who can do FTL (aahh screw it....let's start over.)

With a linear, unchangeable timeline you can have a meaningful story. (Without the overplayed, but improbable scenario of alternate histories casued by meddling with time) This setup also raises questions of fate, and choice - but not in the idiotic, "catchword" phrase pile of <cenzored> manner the Matrix raised it.
Can I change history? Apparantly I can't....or can I? I can't change events....but I can always insert new ones.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2006, 09:41:45 pm by Flaser »
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Offline Turnsky

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
on a more interesting note, it looks like the old AR rifle from the original halo may make a combat, the battlerifle was nice, but the small mag made it completely worthless against elites.
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Offline Deepblue

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The best part about the AR is the fact that it has a real ejection system rather than the wierd one on the BR.

 

Offline Deepblue

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
Could someone with the 720p/high-res trailer do me an awesome favor and take a screencap of the following moment?


 

Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
It's not widely known, but FTL automatically means timetravel capability (Check out Project Rho for details.)
The whole thing boils down to the fact that FTL contradicts either of these:
a) Relativistic physics (ergo if there is FTL, then Einstein's theory is wrong) - not likely AFAIK
b) Casuality (the cause precedes the effect) - could be...

OR:

c) There is a galactic censure that prevents paradoxons - actually there is evidence for this too...

There are two ways
a) You can't change the past...or the future. You play your part in the events, but once playout, things are set in stone. (censure case)
b) Time is not linear and there are more paralel timelines with different histories. (void casuality case). Thius pretty much means that the fate of the universe doesn't really matter to anyone who can do FTL (aahh screw it....let's start over.)

With a linear, unchangeable timeline you can have a meaningful story. (Without the overplayed, but improbable scenario of alternate histories casued by meddling with time) This setup also raises questions of fate, and choice - but not in the idiotic, "catchword" phrase pile of <cenzored> manner the Matrix raised it.
Can I change history? Apparantly I can't....or can I? I can't change events....but I can always insert new ones.


Nice otherwise, but the first two statements are not absolutely true.

True FTL travel would really do one of those two. But if you create a pathway between point A and B that is shorter than normal space between A and B, you can travel from A to B through this passage. And although this looks like FTL when viewed from normal space, you never exceed the speed of light actually, and causality doesn't break because light from point A always travels to point B faster than you, also along the passage created between jump points.

This is what happens in Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, Freespace and actually most sci-fi franchises. Even Battlestar Galactica does this, I believe (because the opposite possibility would indeed be counter-physical and thus would bleed reliability from otherwise very good and realistic series).
There are three things that last forever: Abort, Retry, Fail - and the greatest of these is Fail.

 

Offline Turnsky

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
Could someone with the 720p/high-res trailer do me an awesome favor and take a screencap of the following moment?

(will use lvlshot tags once they're up and running properly)
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Offline Mefustae

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
True FTL travel would really do one of those two. But if you create a pathway between point A and B that is shorter than normal space between A and B, you can travel from A to B through this passage. And although this looks like FTL when viewed from normal space, you never exceed the speed of light actually, and causality doesn't break because light from point A always travels to point B faster than you, also along the passage created between jump points.

This is what happens in Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, Freespace and actually most sci-fi franchises. Even Battlestar Galactica does this, I believe (because the opposite possibility would indeed be counter-physical and thus would bleed reliability from otherwise very good and realistic series).
If you're talking about something comparable to subspace jumps or wormholes, well that isn't FTL. Not even close. I believe he's talking about the literal meaning of FTL, as in to exceed the speed of light, which Einstien presents as a nigh-on impossiblity, y'know, the whole mass becoming infinite thang. Jumping through a wormhole or subspace or 'warp' isn't actually exceeding the Speed of Light, even though outside perception may suggest it, and thus doesn't even factor into the arguement.

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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Really, that post was just an excuse to sound smart. ::)

Until we have actually built a spaceship with "true FTL" that works, we don't know (for certain) if it actually involves time travel or not because we don't have true FTL. We have some theories floating around, but nobody's built anything that actually changes a human-occupied craft's position faster than light can move.

Given our current physics knowledge, I think that it's still impossible to literally travel FTL because of the infinite thrust thing. Except in odd circumstances with extremely small particles.
-C

 

Offline Deepblue

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
Could someone with the 720p/high-res trailer do me an awesome favor and take a screencap of the following moment?

(will use lvlshot tags once they're up and running properly)


Thanks. *sets as background*

 

Offline Deepblue

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Well, since there were too many compression artifacts in that screen (the XBL version seems to trump all the others for some reason in quality) I abandoned the background idea and made a siggy thing.


 

Offline aldo_14

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You do realise that would be stupidly huge and consequently also stunningly annoying as a signature, don't you?

 

Offline Deepblue

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
It also uses a global lighting system, and the entire valley/crater is mesh. That's 3 miles.

Sorry, I was wrong. It's 13 miles.

@Aldo. Of course. If I did use it as a signature, I would shrink it a little more. That's merely the size I saved the .psd as to retain quality.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
But wouldn't your name also thus be shrunk to the point of near-invisibility?

 

Offline Deepblue

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Does that matter? I made the text small on purpose.

  

Offline aldo_14

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Does that matter? I made the text small on purpose.

Well, generally speaking a signature is supposed to be, y'know, personal.  Otherwise you might as well have a billboard under your post.  Granted, I find the whole image siggy thing obnoxious anyways, but if you're going to have a whacking great picture of how leet or killer or xtreme or whatnot you are, then it'd seem to make sense to indicate you are connected to it.  Otherwise people would think you just nicked it off someone else.

 

Offline Corsair

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
For a minute there, that super-hi res screenshot of the trailer looked almost like a for-real photo. Amazing.
Wash: This landing's gonna get pretty interesting.
Mal: Define "interesting".
Wash: *shrug* "Oh God, oh God, we're all gonna die"?
Mal: This is the captain. We have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.

 

Offline Deepblue

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
Finally - a high(-er) res full body shot of the chief.

http://www.bungie.net/images/games/Halo3/wallpapers/h3_e32006_Announce_1280.jpg

The suit's changed a bit since Halo 2. See the hand guards. Furthermore, Frankie from the Bungie weekly update hints that the "AR" is not what it appears to be (AKA, not the one we know and love). I also appreciate the fact that they've gone to the trouble of coating the bottom of the armor with mud. :)

 

Offline Flaser

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
Really, that post was just an excuse to sound smart. ::)

Until we have actually built a spaceship with "true FTL" that works, we don't know (for certain) if it actually involves time travel or not because we don't have true FTL. We have some theories floating around, but nobody's built anything that actually changes a human-occupied craft's position faster than light can move.

Given our current physics knowledge, I think that it's still impossible to literally travel FTL because of the infinite thrust thing. Except in odd circumstances with extremely small particles.

Please read up on a subject before giving smartass comments.

No I wasn't speaking about the issue with infinite mass, or the fact that you can't exceed lightspeed.
There is a physics thougt-experiment on tachion guns - or what would happen if I could send messages faster than light. What it boils down to is, if I can achieve relativistic speeds, than the timedelation would allow me to practically send messages into my past by bouncing the message through someone in another inertia system that has a relativistic speed compared to me.

So the gist is, if you discover any method to send something from point A to B faster than light, you also created a timemachine.

Check out the following article for a clarified explantion and references to the actual calculations:
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3v.html
"I was going to become a speed dealer. If one stupid fairytale turns out to be total nonsense, what does the young man do? If you answered, “Wake up and face reality,” you don’t remember what it was like being a young man. You just go to the next entry in the catalogue of lies you can use to destroy your life." - John Dolan

 

Offline Corsair

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Re: Halo 3 - for real...
Finally - a high(-er) res full body shot of the chief.

http://www.bungie.net/images/games/Halo3/wallpapers/h3_e32006_Announce_1280.jpg
I was wondering when I saw the trailer, what exactly is that ring-shaped wreckage in the background?
Wash: This landing's gonna get pretty interesting.
Mal: Define "interesting".
Wash: *shrug* "Oh God, oh God, we're all gonna die"?
Mal: This is the captain. We have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.