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Offline Mars

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Unescorted Destroyers
Somthing occured to me, why do Hecate destroyers, who desperately need additional firepower, never travel with corvette / cruiser escorts. The Bastion had a Fenris cruiser (can't remember the name and I'm too lazy to look it up right now), the Carthage had the Dashor, and the modified kamikaze Bastion had three Aeolus cruisers, the Malta, the Templar, and the Ertenax (spelling  :sigh:) and they were actually the only survivers of an apperently much larger task force). All this and the Aquitaine has only a gutted Fenris cruiser called the Oberon, which Delta wing was shooting up previously.

The Hecate is a powerful warship, and is among my favorites in the game, but really, just a Deimos would make them so much more capable.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Unescorted Destroyers
Engine limitations.

That and the GTVA doesn't have a cruiser/corvette with broadside firepower to keep the Hecate's flanks clear.
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Offline Ferret

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Difficulty balancing!

 

Offline Kosh

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Gas prices!
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Offline IceFire

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Re: Unescorted Destroyers
It does but when did it need it?  The Aquitane is the center of a large fleet of Terran ships inside of a Terran fleet structure.  That doesn't mean they cruise together all the time.  The Aquitane is quite capable on its own.  Usually whenever we saw the Aquitane in a battle situation it had been surprised by the attack.

If the Aquitane we're in the same situation as the Carthage it probably would have deployed with a corvette or a pair of cruisers too.
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Offline Mars

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Re: Unescorted Destroyers
Okay, that makes sense at least. Still, I can't get over how much a Moloch damages the Aquitaine every time it's ambushed (that is, if Alpha 1 doesn't disarm the Moloch in question)

 
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It does seem the Destroyers are a little too easy to kill.

For one thing why dont they have a decent point defense system...our ships have it now so obviously it's something the Terran mind can concieve and it quite possible within the structure of the game.

I mean it would reasonable to have one. Small turrets mounting a Flail, Morningstar or Maxim. Wouldn't really stop bombers, just annoy them, but very good for stopping torps/bombs. IT would force attacking bombers to do a large simultaneous attack to overwelm these systems.


 

Offline Prophet

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Re: Unescorted Destroyers
That would require more from the game engine (more stuff flying). And would make the battles more complex, which in turn would be way too much for the average player who gets scared of anything remotely challencing. And for obvious reasons he AI would be unable to use bombers to any effect.

But the standard Freespace bomb would be a huge source for comedy for modern day military. If capships had better defences (compareable to modern day navy), then the bombers, and their ordanance, should also be brought up to the new standard. And so on. And it would not be Freespace anymore, it would be something totally new.
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Re: Unescorted Destroyers
True.

and a pity.


It does sometimes detract from the fun, seeing how STUPID some of the stuff is. I wish there was a way of making it less so without losing the balance and "playability"

 

Offline aldo_14

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Of course, the Aquitane could have been escorted by a small fleet at all times, but simply had said fleet spread out beyond visual range to form a long defensive perimeter.

 

Offline Ferret

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True.

and a pity.


It does sometimes detract from the fun, seeing how STUPID some of the stuff is. I wish there was a way of making it less so without losing the balance and "playability"
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Offline ShivanSpS

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The hecate have great firepower in all sides... try to put two deimos for defense on the sides and a few warships coming from the sides... there is a great chance of the Hecate kill both deimos... and FLAKs... well is a close formation flaks do more damage to warships in the formation than to enemy itselft...

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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I've long messed about with an attempt to create a suitable corvette-sized escort for the Hecate; you can find it probably if you search for the Akula. Alas it will not convert properly. I need to get a copy of Max.
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Re: Unescorted Destroyers
Gas prices!

by then the gas would cost more then the ship.

 

Offline starfox

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I wonder how much Nebula Gas actually costs....
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Offline AlphaOne

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Re: Unescorted Destroyers
well destroyers in fs universe do tend to be under escorted. I mean when u have such a large ship u dont jut leave it alone u would normali have at least a cruiser around it in close range to provide adtitional support just in case.

But then again they are part of a much larger fleet streched across the sistem. or multiple sistems. Also one thing i've noticed is that the average CAP is quite small . I mean no matter where you are you would have at least 4 wings of fighters/interceptors at any given time aaround the ship coveringit. But instead we tend to see one or 2 wings flyng CAP.

Also i dont know if u've noticed but GTVA warships tend to be caought with theyr pants down most of the time and thus get blown away. You would imagine that they would take better care to be readdy for batlle just in case.
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Offline Nuclear1

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But the standard Freespace bomb would be a huge source for comedy for modern day military.

I think this is the whole point behind the Freespace universe. Having modern-esque weapons (such as the Phalanx gatling guns on the aircraft carrier or cruise missiles) would ruin the World War II feeling that Freespace manages to deliver so well. The fighters in the universe travel at about the same speed as the average WWII-era fighter aircraft, and not to the extremely high speeds of jet-propelled aircraft of the modern day. Fleet battles in Freespace are a tribute essentially to World War II and older naval battles; see the Galatea/Legion "sinking" down to the planet in the FS2 intro.

Essentially, giving a Freespace destroyer weapons with the effectiveness of modern gatling guns or other point-defense systems ruins the balance and fun: gatling guns on modern warships tear up missiles and aircraft rapidly, not allowing any hostile aircraft to approach to any close range. Flak, on the other hand, is a powerful deterrent, though it gives the player the rush to get out of the field of flak before it tears him up. The only thing close enough to resemble modern warfare is the AAAf beam cannon, which is a less rapid version of the gatling gun in terms of cutting up space/aircraft.
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Offline Mars

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Re: Unescorted Destroyers
So why do Terran warships have the best point defense? You'd think they'd want to keep it WWIIish

 

Offline Polpolion

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If they really want it WWII-ish then they should beef up armor and tone down Beam Cannons.

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Offline Ferret

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If they really want it WWII-ish then they should beef up armor and tone down Beam Cannons.

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