[Grug]

They should go back to the old times when you'd have to reboot out of windows into DOS to be able to play games.

[Fury]

After I looked for more information regarding the OpenGL issue, I noticed that even though english Windows Vista wikipedia articles did not mention OpenGL, german article did and so did a seperate english wikipedia article. Both links below.
- The Windows Vista Issue
- Kompatibilität von Aero-Glass und OpenGL (Use Babelfish)

So the bottom line is; OpenGL will work just fine under Vista.

[Prophet]

They should go back to the old times when you'd have to reboot out of windows into DOS to be able to play games.

Every once in a while, I encounter a rig that really has DOS. When that happens, I like to go "hang around" in DOS. See ho many neat commands I still remember, and basicly go trought the hard drive. And read text files. And all that stuff. It makes me feel so emotional. The command prompt isn't the same.

You all still remember how to meet with the badass in the red armour?
type:
C:\
C:\cd regret
C:\REGRET\regret

And let the killing begin!

(I feel like such a geek Maybe some beer will return my credibility)

[Grug]

They should go back to the old times when you'd have to reboot out of windows into DOS to be able to play games.

Every once in a while, I encounter a rig that really has DOS. When that happens, I like to go "hang around" in DOS. See ho many neat commands I still remember, and basicly go trought the hard drive. And read text files. And all that stuff. It makes me feel so emotional. The command prompt isn't the same.

You all still remember how to meet with the badass in the red armour?
type:
C:\
C:\cd regret
C:\REGRET\regret

And let the killing begin!

(I feel like such a geek Maybe some beer will return my credibility)

Someone's met a match.

[brozozo]

Ugh. I'm not looking forward to Vista. I'm quite content with the OSes on my computers (98SE and XP). I'm glad to read that there are other people out there who believe Windows 98 is the best thing MS did with Windows. How many versions are being released? Five? Six? How much money am I going to pay so I can utilize the OS to its full potential? I believe XP Home costs roughly a hundred bucks in a store; therefore, I don't have high hopes for all the fancy versions of Vista.

As for this AERO thing, I could care less. I want my UI to be simple and effective. If I want to be wowed by the pretty colors, I'll load up a game.

[IceFire]

If it has anything like XP's product activation, I may just bite the bullet and give Debian a shot.

damn skippy, activation always pissed me off. especially when you switche to a new computer every couple years. i want an os i can migrate between machines. it would be totally awesome if it was like 98, where you can take a hard drive out of one machine, stick it in another, and it would boot. of course your drivers were always screwed. 98 was the only os i knew of that could do that, making it a perfect os for hardware testing.

Yeah, last time I had a big update I replaced the motherboard, graphics card and processor. My brother wanted his PC upgraded too so I took all the old bits and built his Pc out of that. The only original thing in his was the hard drive. I was running XP he was using 98 SE.
XP refused to boot up no matter what I triead, I had to wipe and reinstall the bugger. Win 98 didn't give a stuff, booted up straight away, noticed all the new hardware and bam. All done.
It's obvious something has taken a step back along the way.

Its good form to reformat after a big hardware change anyways...even with Win98.  You always run into trouble.  The difference between Win98 and WinXP in that regard is XP is more strict on what drivers are allowed and not allowed to do.  So in Win98 they just festered with screwed up commands that may or may not be doing good things for the system.  It looks on the surface as if its ok...it may even run fine for a while but put the right combination in and bammo.  Really I've found Linux to be much the same way.  If you can cajolue it into fixing it yourself after a big change then power to you but its the same deal.  WinXP just tells you...no this is bad...go and do it right.  So we've got a bit of a spread on how to achieve the best result but its the same issue.

[IceFire]

If they decide to screw up Open GL I'm going to Debian or SuSe, if not, I'll buy it.

They did. It is now "emulated" instead of being fully supported. This is really going to **** up anything that uses OpenGL (Doom 3 is what comes to mind at the moment, but surely there are others).

That's another reason for not buying/pirating it. Maybe it has lots of other features, but OpenGL support is a very important feature that they "forgot" to include.

Actually its only emulated if you don't have a video driver that supports its own full OpenGL implementation.  As both ATI and nVidia do this already its not a problem.  Lots of games now use OpenGL 2.0 but Windows XP supports only upto 1.4 and yet its still not an issue.  We've heard about this in the flight sim community as IL-2 is OpenGL native.  After some considerable discussion the game developer weighed in and was not concerned in the slightest.  OpenGL is still the choice for them.

[ZmaN]

So its agreed taht Open GL will work fine.

I have a question!!!
Is Freespace 2 gunna work on Vista?

[IceFire]

So its agreed taht Open GL will work fine.

I have a question!!!
Is Freespace 2 gunna work on Vista?

I doubt it'll be a huge problem for our team.  Many WinXP programs work just fine in Vista.  I think the biggest problems to overcome are the new permissions structure and the rights elevation that causes a problem with some programs that think they must have administrator access to run (even when they don't really).  I figure the SCP team will fix whatever is needed for Vista and this gives us of flexibility that we have the luxury of because we have the source.  Otherwise it might be a problem.

[neoterran]

Freespace 2 already runs on Vista.

Vista is really nice. But i can tell you right now, the first thing I'm gonna do is turn a bunch of stuff off. Windows Defender, goodbye. Windows Sidebar, see you later. And I'm gonna trim down those services. Because Vista is a nice, advanced, speedy OS with amazing software compatibility underneath it all; it's just got WAY too much stuff running by default.

[BlackDove]

I'll be getting it when it's cracked and patched sufficiently not to give me any headaches.

[Nuke]

Freespace 2 already runs on Vista.

Vista is really nice. But i can tell you right now, the first thing I'm gonna do is turn a bunch of stuff off. Windows Defender, goodbye. Windows Sidebar, see you later. And I'm gonna trim down those services. Because Vista is a nice, advanced, speedy OS with amazing software compatibility underneath it all; it's just got WAY too much stuff running by default.

yes you got to love the wireless autoconfig service running by default dispite not having any wireless hardware installed. that one always seemed abit dumb

[IceFire]

Freespace 2 already runs on Vista.

Vista is really nice. But i can tell you right now, the first thing I'm gonna do is turn a bunch of stuff off. Windows Defender, goodbye. Windows Sidebar, see you later. And I'm gonna trim down those services. Because Vista is a nice, advanced, speedy OS with amazing software compatibility underneath it all; it's just got WAY too much stuff running by default.

Single greatest problem with Microsoft.  I understand their pain in that the average user is going to have trouble finding Windows Defender and Windows Sidebar even with them staring you down in the face but the fact remains that if they turn them on they may get more use out of them.  What I'd like to see is a more robust and simple interface to allow power users to easily turn on and off services without playing guessing games.  Major features should be easily turned off if not wanted in an advanced user control panel....with no nagging!

[ZmaN]

MS needs to just come off it already!!!
They should like let you choose what programs and services you want enabled at installation, so you dont have to fuss to turn them off..

Is that gay activation gunna be in Vista?  I just cant take that!

[IceFire]

MS needs to just come off it already!!!
They should like let you choose what programs and services you want enabled at installation, so you dont have to fuss to turn them off..

Is that gay activation gunna be in Vista?  I just cant take that!

Of course activation is going to be in.  MS loves that little bit...its a great way to make legitimate customers feel like criminals.

I do agree...it should be an option during the install process.

[Mars]

If I can figure out Linux sufficently (I'm working on it, with Knoppix and Kanotix) I've decided to go to Linux and damn the consequences.

[Fury]

Should MS let users decide what should be enabled by default and what not, it should be optional as regular end-users won't know what the heck to select and what not. Yes, regular users are that stupid and uneducated.

Activation is only present in Home Basic and Home Premium, besides these two only Ultimate will be seen in retail channels and Ultimate does not have activation. Rest of the Vista versions are for businesses and available through volume licensing and these business versions won't have activation either. Starter edition is another story and similar to XP Starter edition, it will be seen in poor countries.

I don't think activation will be really a concern for most people, Home Basic and Premium will be commonly used by OEM manufactuters and in retail I believe Ultimate to be the most popular even though more expensive than Home editions.

[brozozo]

I don't think activation will be really a concern for most people, Home Basic and Premium will be commonly used by OEM manufactuters and in retail I believe Ultimate to be the most popular even though more expensive than Home editions.

Would happen to know what it will cost?

[Fury]

No prices have been yet revealed.

[Kosh]

No prices have been yet revealed.

You can rest assured that it will be unaffordably high.