[Kosh]

After getting all three of the Terminator movies on DVD recently, I do wonder: What does the future hold for the franchise?

Personally I thought the third one, compared with the other two, sucked. Sure, it was fun to watch because of all the well-done CGI and fighting scenes, but it lacked the depth the first two had (amoung other things). It just didn't seem "dark" enough. I did find a rather interesting review about it.

http://www.goingfaster.com/term2029/t3review.html

I wished that Terminator 3 would have taken place in the future, but instead the writers merely recycled the plot from the second one. Think about it, from 1997-2029, Skynet was trying to destroy humanity. It spent 32 YEARS doing it! With such a long war, surely there must have been many stories to tell about the war. If they started the movie during the war, they could have at least tried to come up with a half-assed explanation for why Judgement Day happened.

So another question, is Hollywood really this creatively bankrupt?

I want T3 re-written and re-made. Show us the darkness that is the future, don't just keep recycling the same thing over and over again.

[WMCoolmon]

I still haven't seen T3...

But you're bringing this up now? 

[Fury]

My vote goes to Terminator TV-series set to happen during the 32-year war. More terminators, more carnage, more chips and coke and fatter americans. They still haven't sued Coca-Cola so there's that too.

[Ulala]

Yeah, T3 could've been way better in my opinion. I still like T2 the best.

[aldo_14]

After getting all three of the Terminator movies on DVD recently, I do wonder: What does the future hold for the franchise?

Personally I thought the third one, compared with the other two, sucked. Sure, it was fun to watch because of all the well-done CGI and fighting scenes, but it lacked the depth the first two had (amoung other things). It just didn't seem "dark" enough. I did find a rather interesting review about it.

http://www.goingfaster.com/term2029/t3review.html

I wished that Terminator 3 would have taken place in the future, but instead the writers merely recycled the plot from the second one. Think about it, from 1997-2029, Skynet was trying to destroy humanity. It spent 32 YEARS doing it! With such a long war, surely there must have been many stories to tell about the war. If they started the movie during the war, they could have at least tried to come up with a half-assed explanation for why Judgement Day happened.

So another question, is Hollywood really this creatively bankrupt?

I want T3 re-written and re-made. Show us the darkness that is the future, don't just keep recycling the same thing over and over again.

T4 does the whole war thing.

[Fury]

Remove "T4" part of the IMDB link and it will work.

[aldo_14]

[Nuke]

i dont know i dont like what hollywood does to everything it touches. i havent been to the movies in over a year. i do watch the independant film chanel though. at least they have some good flicks.

[TrashMan]

first one is the best IMHO...

The second one had that liquid metal garbage (but I loved the minigun scene ) and the third one..well...meh..

[Mefustae]

first one is the best IMHO...

The second one had that liquid metal garbage (but I loved the minigun scene ) and the third one..well...meh..

But the first one was too damn... eighties. Eugh..

IMO, the second one had the most heart, the best action, and the best writing and directing [the acting wasn't half bad either]. C'mon, who didn't cry a little at the end of it, what with the thumb and the molten.. *makes vague hand gestures*

[Kosh]

But T4 is still based off of T3. That's the problem I have with it, and I heard it is going to have the same director.

T3 in its current form must be terminated.

But the first one was too damn... eighties. Eugh..

It was made in the mid-eighties, what do you expect?

[Ferret]

I also liked the second best. I thought the third was total crap though. Quite unlike what I thought of Jurassic Park 3 which I actually enjoyed. (Whereas JP2 is the only film I've ever fallen asleep at in the cinema. I wasn't even tired.)

[SadisticSid]

Anyone remember the old Terminator Future Shock games written when Bethesda was a no-name on the developer stage? At the time when the only other FPSs were Duke Nukem, Doom and Quake, there were drivable vehicles, everything was in full 3D and it had a genuine sense of creepiness to some of the levels... like when dormant Terminators suddenly come to life when you enter their weapon range and silent, floating bombs pop out of nowhere to kamikaze you. They proved quite well - and 10 years ago at that - that a game license set during the war was viable. I hope to see another game title some day.

[Fury]

I played a demo of that game, at the time I did not realize how advanced the game was.

[aldo_14]

Anyone remember the old Terminator Future Shock games written when Bethesda was a no-name on the developer stage? At the time when the only other FPSs were Duke Nukem, Doom and Quake, there were drivable vehicles, everything was in full 3D and it had a genuine sense of creepiness to some of the levels... like when dormant Terminators suddenly come to life when you enter their weapon range and silent, floating bombs pop out of nowhere to kamikaze you. They proved quite well - and 10 years ago at that - that a game license set during the war was viable. I hope to see another game title some day.

Viable?  It's perfect!

[Mefustae]

Anyone remember the old Terminator Future Shock games written when Bethesda was a no-name on the developer stage? At the time when the only other FPSs were Duke Nukem, Doom and Quake, there were drivable vehicles, everything was in full 3D and it had a genuine sense of creepiness to some of the levels... like when dormant Terminators suddenly come to life when you enter their weapon range and silent, floating bombs pop out of nowhere to kamikaze you. They proved quite well - and 10 years ago at that - that a game license set during the war was viable. I hope to see another game title some day.

I think I remember that as one of the very first computer games I ever played, ever. From what I remember, I walked around for about 10 minutes, before walking into a lake, dying, and getting bored with it. Aaaaaah, those were the days.

[ZylonBane]

Terminator: Future Shock and Terminator: Skynet were frickin' awesome games, way ahead of their time. Full 3D maps, 3D enemies, drivable/flyable vehicles, mouselook, and the levels were HUGE. You really felt like you were wandering around a desolate, dangerous, postapocalyptic wasteland.

I never could get either game to run in SVGA mode though.

[Kosh]

I just recently downloaded Terminator: Future Shock (because I had heard so many good things about it), but it won't get past the CD check.

And no, I'm not going to go run out and buy a 10+ year old game that won't even work on my computer without a fraking emulator.

[an0n]

The problem I had with T3 wasn't anything specific in the plot - just that it diverge from the spirit of Terminator.

Which was the concept of "No fate but what we make for ourselves" being completely 'wrong'.

See, at first glance, the entire film is about predetermination. The arrival of the Terminator in the first movie results in the conception of John and the beginnings of Sarah's militancy - which are what ultimate save humanity.

Then in the second movie, because of the presence of the Terminator arm and CPU, mankind advanced much faster - resulting in TechCom having their own time machine and SkyNet being vastly more advanced (as evidenced by the T-1000). The destruction of Cyberdyne Systems resets things back to how they were 'supposed' to be for the timeline to continue correctly relative to the first movie.

All of which supports predetermination.

Connor knew that nothing would change when he sent Reese back.

"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." - is basically admitting that you can't change the past no matter how hard you try, but that doesn't mean you can't change the present and forge your own path into the future.

It even takes into account the meddling with time-travel. As they 'made their own fates' when they tried to change the past. Connor's 'fate' was the present - fighting SkyNet - but his future was still his own choice, regardless of any temporal fudgery. Everything's up for grabs till the very moment you try to meddle in the past, at which point all your choices become predestined.

T3 ignores all that are replaces Fate with Destiny. Connor was to lead Tech-Com to victory against SkyNet regardless of anything else. The past, present and future were all up for grabs - as opposed to the 'only future' philosophy of the previous two films.

[ZylonBane]

I just recently downloaded Terminator: Future Shock (because I had heard so many good things about it), but it won't get past the CD check.

Apparently you can bypass this by editing the path in install.dat.

"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." - is basically admitting that you can't change the past no matter how hard you try, but that doesn't mean you can't change the present and forge your own path into the future.

Dude... WTF? This is a series that's all about time travel. There is no past, present, or future except from a relative frame of reference. Skynet's present is our past. Our present is Skynet's future. Saying "You can't change the past but you can change the future" is meaningless gibberish in this context.