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Offline Kosh

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was one of the reasons why the downfall of Yugoslavia had quite a few helping hands from outside.


Oooooooo, so who was helping to bring down Yugoslavia? The Illuminati? :p
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Rictor

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No, because the two parties invovled in the transaction are Serbia and Montenegro. The two groups are obviously interested parties, but the fact remains that they are the two factions involved in the dispute, not anyone else. If Hungarians, Russians, Australians, Jamaicans or any other group voted in a decisive numbers, I'd make mention of them as well.

But like I said, it wouldn't have made a difference. Unless the Serbian government or allied Montenegrin politicians pulled a miracle out of their ass, the seperatist side would have just kept at it. Unless the vote had been well below 50%, the result would have eventually been the same, after a few years of political wrangling.

Isn't a Montenegrin independence referendum about Montenegros' national (cultural, regional) interest, rather then Serbias?  If it's ok for Serbians to vote in the interest of their 'parent' country, why not Albanians? (even if we relegate them to the position of effective puppets)  Surely no state can claim to exist in isolation from its neighbours, after all.  And if not, what about the other ethnicities?

It's not about Montenegro's national interests, not exclusively anyway. Like in any divorce, the final settlement is about the wellbeing of both parties, not just one. And if Serbia believed (perhaps wrongly, time will tell) that breaking the union would harm it, Serbs had every right to vote to stay. A divorce is exactly what this was, and both parties are within their rights and push their agenda. But not a third party. A third party, who is not part of the marriage in the first place, shouldn't interfere. The vengeful sister who hates the husband, her voice and influence should be minimized, in order to allow both parties to decide for themselves what is in their interests.

Kosh: among Western governments, primarily Germany. But various other powerful nations (guess who?) and interested NGOs etc etc. Like in the recent Colour Revolutions in Ukraine, Georgia and so on, outside influence can easily be seen by anyone with two eyes. Which is not, mind you, the same as laying the blame at their doorstep. There were more than enough politicians within the Yugoslav power elite who were willing to tear it apart for their own benefit. The one common thing about leaders on all sides (of the republics) is that almost all of them made out like bandits in the breakup.

 

Offline Kosh

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Which is not, mind you, the same as laying the blame at their doorstep.

Sounds the same to me.

Before you start blaming "outside influences", start thinking about this: Everytime a major outside force/influence (namely the Ottomans and more recently, the Soviet Union) has released its grip on the Balkans, one or more of those countries has broken apart. It is because there is no outside force to hold them together anymore.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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