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Re: Hey! Free Train Travel in the Netherlands....
Well, I see no direct harm from homosexuality, nor do I despise or hate homosexuals, but the simple fact is that it simply isn't normal....

It's not what a human is design to do, it's not what he's supposed to do and it most certanily isn't a lyfestyle choice.

Suffice to say I think it's better for children to grow up in a normal family (normal enviroment)  than in a homosexual one.
The sad thing is that there are usually more kids needing adoption than willing families ..can one afford to be picky then?
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Re: Hey! Free Train Travel in the Netherlands....
Dont send them to Belgium or Thailand whatever you do...... :shaking:
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Re: Hey! Free Train Travel in the Netherlands....
Well, I see no direct harm from homosexuality, nor do I despise or hate homosexuals, but the simple fact is that it simply isn't normal....

It's not what a human is design to do, it's not what he's supposed to do and it most certanily isn't a lyfestyle choice.

Suffice to say I think it's better for children to grow up in a normal family (normal enviroment)  than in a homosexual one.
The sad thing is that there are usually more kids needing adoption than willing families ..can one afford to be picky then?

Define 'normal', though?

I mean, every behaviour can be termed as minority in some community or the other.  Monogamy, for example, is really only 'normal' within a modern, Western Christian context.  Homosexuality and bisexuality occurs in Bonobos as mentioned earlier, and also in other (non-primate, too) species.

 The concept of the human body being 'designed' for heterosexuality is rather odd, though, because the whole 'design' concept is obviously a misnomer.  As is 'supposed' to do.  We are designed to mate and reproduce.  Whilst homosexuality seems to run contrary to that, it does not impinge the capacity for reproduction, and as we can see through historical prevelance, it certainly does not prevent it from occuring.  More so, if it is not a 'lyfestyle choice' (sic), then how can it be - to paraphrase - against nature?  Clearly if it is genetic and common (depending on which statistics you choose, as common as being left handed), then it is very much natural even if the cause of selection is odd.

Even then, (arguably) nature abhors normality; normalcy entails staticness, inability to adapt, lack of diversity.  The 'isn't normal' arguement I always find to be a very odd one; particularly considering we are a species that doesn't even have a type specimen for a skeleton, let along a definition of what a 'normal' human psyche is.

 

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A Normal Psyche
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The psyche is a multidimensional aspect of consciousness, most commonly thought of as being composed of the subconscious and superconscious. Thus, to humans, the psyche is considered to be those portions of the self other than the ego. However, our traditional definition of the psyche is limited by our lack of experience in utilizing the psyche as an integral, involved segment of acknowledged experience. This lack of utilization prohibits comprehension of the full range of knowledge and ability native to the psyche.

Therefore the Psyche is normal to the individual. Any exteranal observer cannot grasp the past experience and or effects as a changing multi faceted entinty, The constuents of which as i'm sure you know are the Ego, The Super Ego, (and my personal favourite) The ID.

The ID is more to blame fore personal predispositions as much as environmental factors in "lifestyle choices" Thats my own professional opinoin, --A Level Psychology A+ pass
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Re: Hey! Free Train Travel in the Netherlands....
Ok, granted various ancient societies had various tolerance of gays. Look at the epic of gilgamesh for example. But people who claim that "all 'anti-gay' remarks by judeo-christian founding texts/people are debatable in their validity and authenticity" are generally apologetics who aren't studying the sources in an academic way. It's like saying "well, Hitler didn't actually hate the Jews, it's just that there was an antisemitic mood in the society at the time and some of his underlings decided to capitalize on that to perform their tasks" or something. Although I'm simplifying a bit, as the previous sentence can be proven wrong by reading Mein Kampf.
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Ok, granted various ancient societies had various tolerance of gays. Look at the epic of gilgamesh for example. But people who claim that "all 'anti-gay' remarks by judeo-christian founding texts/people are debatable in their validity and authenticity" are generally apologetics who aren't studying the sources in an academic way. It's like saying "well, Hitler didn't actually hate the Jews, it's just that there was an antisemitic mood in the society at the time and some of his underlings decided to capitalize on that to perform their tasks" or something. Although I'm simplifying a bit, as the previous sentence can be proven wrong by reading Mein Kampf.

I believe one of the key debates relates to a greek word (arsenokoites) that doesn't have a hard-set or definitive literal - to - english translation, though, and which could mean a number of other things such as heterosexuals having homosexual sex or male prostitutes.

In any case, I mustn't have heard of the bit where Jesus rants on about the Roman gay mafia ruining Jerusalem with their flashy chariots and superior interior design methods.

 

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Ok, 2 things:

1. I was being stupid and posted after reading the first page, not noticing the two next ones. Thus my post is more closely relevant to the last post on pg1.

2. I did not mean to imply that I myself see anti-gay attitudes as justified. To the contrary, I'm probably more pro-gay than most people on this forum, even though I'm a het male myself.

@Previous disscussion on getting "uneasy feeling" about gays that they are against the order of the universe: this is just ****ing sick. The very same thing could be said by a Pope: "Look, they don't believe in the Trinity, the very essence of the world order! We should kill them all!" If you feel like that about gays, it's because of the society you grew up in - look at the greeks for example! - not some kind of innate ****ed-up human morality, for god's ****ing sake. I've never felt uneasy around my gay friend, even when he talks about his crush.
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Re: Hey! Free Train Travel in the Netherlands....
One of my relatives was gay, and his father all but disowned him for it.  So he moved cross-country.  Our family visited him every year for a while before he died (of AIDS).  He was a really nice guy, and I was glad to have had the chance to know him.  My appreciation for him as a person is independent of my views about his behavior.

Another of my relatives is divorced, and yet another is marrying a divorced woman.  I disapprove of that as well, and yet, as before, I treat them no differently because of it.  Personally I think divorce is a much more pressing issue than homosexuality; the divorce rate is skyrocketing and it's as high in the American Christian church as it is in America as a whole.  That's appalling.  The church should be setting an example with their behavior: physician, heal thyself.

 

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Actually the whole "uneasy feeling" argument can be taken down with one word.

"Lesbians"

Obviously since not only does that not cause an uneasy feeling but actually quite the opposite it is obvious that God must quite like lesbians then. They must be at least as natural as hetrosexuals since we don't get that feeling sent to us by God.
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Re: Hey! Free Train Travel in the Netherlands....
Do you mean pretty women pretending to be lesbians, or unwashed truck driver lesbians? :p

Heterosexual guys are not attracted to masculine women.  The whole lesbian fixation seems to be based on the mistaken assumption that lesbians are even more feminine than heterosexual women.
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Yes divorce is a pressing issue, but not only does same-sex marriage problem contribute to divorce, in those places where no kind of legal recognition of same-sex couples (whether it uses the word marriage or not) is possible, it is a pressing human rights issue to get that to happen. Divorce is usually a morally legitimate act, whereas outlawing same-sex couples is not.
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Do you mean pretty women pretending to be lesbians, or unwashed truck driver lesbians? :p
Please tell me you're joking or I will beat your head in with a rusty pipe.

 

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Do you mean pretty women pretending to be lesbians, or unwashed truck driver lesbians? :p
Please tell me you're joking or I will beat your head in with a rusty pipe.

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Actually you have to look at the 2 different definitions of Lesbian.

Women's Definition of Lesbian : A woman who is physically and emotionally attracted to other women.
Man's definition of Lesbian : A woman who enjoys having sex with other women while a man watches/interacts.

In my experience (though not direct(more's the pity)) I tend to find than any man offered a chance to engage in sexual activity with 2 women really considers stunning looks as a secondary thing, it's a bonus, but not essential.

Remember : Porn movies are not real life.

 

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Remember : Porn movies are not real life.

WHAT?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!111!! IT'S NOT TRUE! IT CAAAN'T BE!
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Remember : Porn movies are not real life.

Otherwise there wouldn't be a shortage of dishwasher repair men.

 

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And pizza delivery services aren't as friendly and agreeable.
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Define 'normal', though?

Ahh..playing with semantics, are we?

I can do that too you know.. let's question the definition of every single word in the vocabulary till practicly every definition goes my way.

Just coause something happens in nature doesn't automaticly make it normal. After all, there are some animals that kill and eat their mate during sex. So if humans started acting that way we should consider it normal too?

Bear in mind that "normal behaviour" doesn't mena a strict, narrow road - there's a lot of possibilities for variation within it. norma lbehaviour is not stale and doesn't not stop or hinder change - rather it focuses it in a specific manner...
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Define 'normal', though?

Ahh..playing with semantics, are we?

I can do that too you know.. let's question the definition of every single word in the vocabulary till practicly every definition goes my way.

Just coause something happens in nature doesn't automaticly make it normal. After all, there are some animals that kill and eat their mate during sex. So if humans started acting that way we should consider it normal too?

Bear in mind that "normal behaviour" doesn't mena a strict, narrow road - there's a lot of possibilities for variation within it. norma lbehaviour is not stale and doesn't not stop or hinder change - rather it focuses it in a specific manner...

Right, so you can't define it in any way beyond the expression of personal prejudice.

That's my whole point.

 

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And pizza delivery services aren't as friendly and agreeable.

These things have plots?

Judging by recent threads. I'm beginning to think the key to human sexuality revolves around Pizza in some way....