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Offline AlphaOne

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Wohooo if this is actualy true then good one less terrorist leader to worry about. But will this have a lasting if any effect on the bommings and kidnapping in Iraq??
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Well, I guess this is a good thing.

 

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Too little, too late.

 

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Do you hear that?  It's the sound of most people not caring anymore.
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umm I guess you are right i mean most of harm has been done and well its sad when people don care any more. But I guess i cant say that I blame them. I in a strange way kind of simpatise with them.
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wow... nice, took long enough, maybe we can get bin laden sometime in the next decade?
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Nee it wont take a decade but at least another year or so! Hopefully that will somehow diminish the terrorist threat!
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all things aside, it took an airstrike to get him.  :eek2:
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all things aside, it took an airstrike to get him.  :eek2:

why :eek2:?

It's pretty much standard practice for the US Army to use airstrikes rather than close in engagement; quite simply stops the enemy being able to shoot back.  Unfortunately, it also leads to a lot of collateral damage because the insurgents simply adapt and use (invade) civillian houses instead.

 

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It's pretty much standard practice for the US Army to use airstrikes rather than close in engagement; quite simply stops the enemy being able to shoot back.  Unfortunately, it also leads to a lot of collateral damage because the insurgents simply adapt and use (invade) civillian houses instead.
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Yep you would be correct! Didnt want to sound mean or anithing just saiing what other people think. at least some of the people I know. Can actualy speak for the whole world!
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all things aside, it took an airstrike to get him.  :eek2:

why :eek2:?

It's pretty much standard practice for the US Army to use airstrikes rather than close in engagement; quite simply stops the enemy being able to shoot back.  Unfortunately, it also leads to a lot of collateral damage because the insurgents simply adapt and use (invade) civillian houses instead.

therin lies the rub.
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actually, using an airstrike to take out a single person is another israeli tactic

they used it on this one old man they wanted to kill, as he was leaving a mosque.  the point of doing it with an airstrike is so you can kill as many of the innocent people around the target, and then write it off as collateral.

as for the ramifications of zarqawi's death, well that just means we have a whole bunch of disorganized terrorists running around.  does that make you feel more safe, or less safe?
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actually, using an airstrike to take out a single person is another israeli tactic

they used it on this one old man they wanted to kill, as he was leaving a mosque.  the point of doing it with an airstrike is so you can kill as many of the innocent people around the target, and then write it off as collateral.

That's more than a bit unfair, and seems like an accusation of attempted genocide, which I think is wrong.

The US (nor Israel) doesn't have any vested interest in killing civillians - it only makes it harder and harder for them to operate - it's simply down to the decision that a risk of Iraqi civillian deaths is regarded as being preferable to a risk of US combat deaths.  Something that does make military sense, but in political terms stinks of hypocracy and racism.

 

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And it only makes short-term military sense at that. Long term, it would result in fewer friendly deaths if they did what was needed to keep the population content-ish instead of seething with anger and on the verge of rebellion. If they'd played it right, respecting Iraqi lives as much as their own, Iraq might have ceased to be a major problem six months to a year ago, preventing hundreds of US casualties.
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And it only makes short-term military sense at that. Long term, it would result in fewer friendly deaths if they did what was needed to keep the population content-ish instead of seething with anger and on the verge of rebellion. If they'd played it right, respecting Iraqi lives as much as their own, Iraq might have ceased to be a major problem six months to a year ago, preventing hundreds of US casualties.

No arguements here.  It's a strategy purely intended to prevent short-term headlines, and made - like so much of the decisions in this fiasco - without any regard for planning as to the future of the country 'post war'.  The problem is that, for all the bleating about 'freedom and democracy for Iraqis'  (yeah, that's why they let Al-Sadrs Mafdi Army police poll booths during the last election....), the predominant aim of all US operations would seem to be avoiding too many US deaths, because that looks bad on TV.

 

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Well as long as they didn't take out any civilians good riddence to bad rubbish I say. As long as he isn't replaced by someone worse than him I've got no problems with it. It's probably the only justice the families of his victims were going to get.

I doubt it will have any great effect on the situation in Iraq though. The US like to set up these bogeymen pulling the strings behind the scenes in every plot but the fact is that Zarqawi probably isn't responsible for even a tenth of the stuff that goes on in Iraq.
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Maybe ! And if that is the case then it makes you wonder if its actualy zarqawi who was planning all those bommings or the civilians themselfs as some sort of paiback for someones lost mother or father or child. Something like revenge for the deaths of ones loved one!

Regardless of this the fact that they needed an airstrike to take him out just goes to prove that the US is nowhere near in control of the situation as it lets on to believe.


Also what dont the US or the CIA have some sort of hitmen to take him out with a sniper rifle from several hundreds of metters away..???


But still as long as no civilians got caough in the strike its all good!
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Maybe ! And if that is the case then it makes you wonder if its actualy zarqawi who was planning all those bommings or the civilians themselfs as some sort of paiback for someones lost mother or father or child. Something like revenge for the deaths of ones loved one!

The insurgency in Iraq is fairly nebulous; you have the foreign fighters/terrorists (a minority group, but who get a lot of publication as 'justification' for the war), the Saddam / shia loyalists, the Sunni groups (such as Al-Sadrs bunch), and also people who are simply common criminals (such as the many who kidnap for money; although foreign hostages get the most publicity, there is a shocking amount of kidnapping going on of Iraqis).

Regardless of this the fact that they needed an airstrike to take him out just goes to prove that the US is nowhere near in control of the situation as it lets on to believe.


Also what dont the US or the CIA have some sort of hitmen to take him out with a sniper rifle from several hundreds of metters away..???


But still as long as no civilians got caough in the strike its all good!

It's arguably a lot, lot harder to get someone like Al-Zaqwari with a sniper rifle.  Even with distance, it's likely the area will be full of sympathisers or simply just ordinary Iraqis hostile to the Americans; securing a site for a sniper to base themselves could be very difficult depending on how urban it is (offhand I think this was more remote, so not so much).  On top of that, there's a difficulty of timing - getting a sniper quietly infiltrated in time without spooking him (i.e. not choppering in near to the location - and odds are he won't stay there long before moving, so you need to move that sniper in quick).

Whilst the SAS in particular are very good at bunkering down somewhere, surveilling, and taking a shot, none of those are particualrly suited here; it's simply easier and - more importantly - quicker to send in a bomber than have a x man crew yomp across the desert, quite possibly only to find the target has buggered off into the sunset.

As an aside, I should probably note it is a good thing this murdering bastard is dead, even if my tone has been somewhat negative.  The problem is that i know this will be turned into a whitewashing piece of propaganda, and that annoys me, because it's the actions of my country-and-others that allowed this guy to come to such prominance.