[Flipside]

W00t. Bout time. Best part is, I heard it took him 10 minutes just to DIE. He was pretty much alive when U.S. forces found the body *Joy*

Imagine the same words said about, ooh, an American soldier or an Iraqi police recruit.

Lets try and keep the moral high ground, eh?

I see no reason to, considering 90% of the world doesn't seem to think we have any claim to "moral high ground" at all. I mean, just take a look at the first of the posts in this thread :rolleye:. So, you go ahead and moan and cry, while I'll take THOROUGH, and I do mean thorough, pleasure in the fact that the scumbag is gone.

Then you sink to his level simple as that. You take joy in the suffering of your enemies, you feel that his pain somehow gives you pleasure, next thing you know you'll be abducting random Muslims and cutting their heads off.

You want to carry the Flag of Freedom, want to represent the way of sanity and trust and understanding. Then damn-well act like it, not like some gibbering howling-for-blood maniac.

Yes I'm glad he's gone, but not for the suffering we caused him, because of the suffering he won't cause others.

If people walking round going 'Yay! He died in pain' then screw it, we did nothing of worth.

[Turambar]

yay for basic morality!!

despite being so unnecessarily religious, that's something that this great nation has a sore lack of.

[Jetmech Jr.]

W00t. Bout time. Best part is, I heard it took him 10 minutes just to DIE. He was pretty much alive when U.S. forces found the body *Joy*

Imagine the same words said about, ooh, an American soldier or an Iraqi police recruit.

Lets try and keep the moral high ground, eh?

I see no reason to, considering 90% of the world doesn't seem to think we have any claim to "moral high ground" at all. I mean, just take a look at the first of the posts in this thread :rolleye:. So, you go ahead and moan and cry, while I'll take THOROUGH, and I do mean thorough, pleasure in the fact that the scumbag is gone.

Then you sink to his level simple as that. You take joy in the suffering of your enemies, you feel that his pain somehow gives you pleasure, next thing you know you'll be abducting random Muslims and cutting their heads off.

You want to carry the Flag of Freedom, want to represent the way of sanity and trust and understanding. Then damn-well act like it, not like some gibbering howling-for-blood maniac.

Yes I'm glad he's gone, but not for the suffering we caused him, because of the suffering he won't cause others.

Blow things out of proportion much? I'm glad a sicko suffered the same pain he caused so many others, so now I'm gonna be just like him, chopping off heads and directing Bombings. Yeah, right. Sometimes, Flipside, you speak sense, and obviously know what you're talking about. Other times...not so much, especially with that comment.

You'd like to know why I take pleasure in the fact that he suffered? Because he was an asshole, a murderer, and a terrorist. He caused so much pain to others, it's only just he suffers the same. I don't believe in this bullcrap that because I enjoy people getting their comeuppance, I'm just as bad as them. Theres a difference between what I'm doing, and what their doing (mainly, they're actively hurting and killing innocents, meanwhile I'm just enjoying the moment when karma comes back around and *****slaps them across the mouth).

[Jetmech Jr.]

If people walking round going 'Yay! He died in pain' then screw it, we did nothing of worth.

You read FAR to much into things. If nothing else, consider my attitude a counterbalance to this:

It's pretty much standard practice for the US Army to use airstrikes rather than close in engagement; quite simply stops the enemy being able to shoot back.  Unfortunately, it also leads to a lot of collateral damage because the insurgents simply adapt and use (invade) civillian houses instead.

F*** them civilians!! Let's bomb those f***ing A-rabs to hell!!!



YEEEEEEEHAAAAWWWWW!!!


*Ahem*

Would I be correct in assuming this is how most of the world generally views the US Military?

[Nuclear1]

People aren't against this war because they think the military is incompetent; they're against it because it was a stupid, stupid thing to do.

Yes, but constantly and constantly reminding us that it was a stupid thing to do is in itself an indirect offense on the military; what do you think the troops on the ground think when they look back home and see the widespread protests of the war that the media is always anxious to broadcast? It's going to hurt morale, and when the media, politicians, and civilians start saying that the war is unwinnable, it only makes it worse. There's really not much more of an attack on the military than saying that they can't succeed at what they're doing, especially when no other real solution is being thrown forward other than to give up and bring the troops home.

You'd like to know why I take pleasure in the fact that he suffered? Because he was an asshole, a murderer, and a terrorist. He caused so much pain to others, it's only just he suffers the same. I don't believe in this bullcrap that because I enjoy people getting their comeuppance, I'm just as bad as them. Theres a difference between what I'm doing, and what their doing (mainly, they're actively hurting and killing innocents, meanwhile I'm just enjoying the moment when karma comes back around and *****slaps them across the mouth).

Indeed. There isn't a whole lot of true justice that ever comes in the world anymore; can't we just savor it when there really is something to be happy about?

yay for basic morality!!

despite being so unnecessarily religious, that's something that this great nation has a sore lack of.

Again, my point goes back to the Baby Boomers and the abundant drug use and rampant sexual promiscuity of the 60s that would have made Aldous Huxley blush. Morality was already on a decline, but it took the teenagers of the 60s to really knock it down a couple of dozen notches.

[Flipside]

Savouring someone elses pain is the past-time of the phsychopath.

Like I said, the Military did what it had to do. It's war, people die. I can feel no more compassion for those who enjoyed the slaughter of the Fire-bombings than I feel for those who enjoyed the slaughter of Jews.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Savouring someone elses pain is the past-time of the phsychopath.

Or just appreciation of Karma. Depends on how you look at it, really. Tell you what, if I ever go around beheading Muslims and planting carbombs, I'll concede the point to you. Until then...

EDIT: One other point: You seem to think I enjoy the suffering of ALL people. This is a Generalization, and a wrong one, at that. I enjoy the suffering of those who truly deserve to suffer.

[WeatherOp]

Yet, there is a big difference between being happy someone cannot cause anymore pain and being happy someone died.

[Flipside]

Yes, he was an asshole, a murderer and a terrorist who took pleasure in other peoples suffering

[Nuclear1]

Yes, he was an asshole, a murderer and a terrorist who took pleasure in other peoples suffering

Yes, he was, and now we take pleasure in the fact that he, a sick bastard, got his due and suffered in much the same way that his victims suffered. Much like how I take pleasure when a known child molestor finally goes to prison.

[Flipside]

Then he's not suffering in the same way is he?

If we are to take the moral high ground in this, then we have to learn that what we hated him for was the fact he was an animal. We can either choose to be better than him or not.

[Ford Prefect]

Yes, but constantly and constantly reminding us that it was a stupid thing to do is in itself an indirect offense on the military; what do you think the troops on the ground think when they look back home and see the widespread protests of the war that the media is always anxious to broadcast? It's going to hurt morale, and when the media, politicians, and civilians start saying that the war is unwinnable, it only makes it worse. There's really not much more of an attack on the military than saying that they can't succeed at what they're doing, especially when no other real solution is being thrown forward other than to give up and bring the troops home.

Well the alternative is that we all purge ourselves of our thoughtcrimes and fall in line, and many people, myself included, don't think that we should stop asking for accountability from those in authority simply because the military might hear it.

[Mars]

Too little, too late.

And yeah, Strangelove is the portrait of the US military.

At this point in my life, I see that countries going to war is kind of a moot point, it's groups of people going to war. Right now fundi's are winning in the US and Iraq, and the ones in the US are trying to kill the ones in Iraq.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Then he's not suffering in the same way is he?

If we are to take the moral high ground in this, then we have to learn that what we hated him for was the fact he was an animal. We can either choose to be better than him or not.

I'm already better than him in that I don't commit the same despicable acts as him. You have no real point, Flip. 1: I don't enjoy EVERYONE's pain, just those who deserve it. 2: I don't commit the same acts as him. 3: I didn't inflict the pain.

Stop trying to accuse me of things I'm not really guilty of. It's rather annoying and disrespectful.

[Turambar]

we should remember, the US invasion and occupation of iraq was what created al zarqawi.

he would have just been some guy, who probably would have been 'disappeared' secretly by sadaam's secret police, he would have never had the opportunity to become the evil feared terrorist that he was before somebody dropped a 500lb bomb on him.  (see, saddam and osama were never on good terms, osama hated saddam almost as much as he hated america, he thought saddam was a bad muslim). 

[Mars]

we should remember, the US invasion and occupation of iraq was what created al zarqawi.

he would have just been some guy, who probably would have been 'disappeared' secretly by sadaam's secret police, he would have never had the opportunity to become the evil feared terrorist that he was before somebody dropped a 500lb bomb on him.  (see, saddam and osama were never on good terms, osama hated saddam almost as much as he hated america, he thought saddam was a bad muslim). 

It was a 1000lb bomb (like it really mattered.)

[Flipside]

Then he's not suffering in the same way is he?

If we are to take the moral high ground in this, then we have to learn that what we hated him for was the fact he was an animal. We can either choose to be better than him or not.

I'm already better than him in that I don't commit the same despicable acts as him. You have no real point, Flip. 1: I don't enjoy EVERYONE's pain, just those who deserve it. 2: I don't commit the same acts as him. 3: I didn't inflict the pain.

Stop trying to accuse me of things I'm not really guilty of. It's rather annoying and disrespectful.

Let me put it this way, if you saw Iraqis talking about the execution of an American Soldier on TV as 'Did you see how slowly he died? It was great! That'll teach those invading murdering bastards!' how would you feel? And yes, there are people in Iraq who consider the Americans invading murdering bastards. People who have never killed anyone in their life.

I can pretty much be certain the responses would be along the lines of 'They are just as bad as he is for saying that!'.

There is no justification for taking pleasure in another mans pain ever,

[Jetmech Jr.]

Then he's not suffering in the same way is he?

If we are to take the moral high ground in this, then we have to learn that what we hated him for was the fact he was an animal. We can either choose to be better than him or not.

I'm already better than him in that I don't commit the same despicable acts as him. You have no real point, Flip. 1: I don't enjoy EVERYONE's pain, just those who deserve it. 2: I don't commit the same acts as him. 3: I didn't inflict the pain.

Stop trying to accuse me of things I'm not really guilty of. It's rather annoying and disrespectful.

Let me put it this way, if you saw Iraqis talking about the execution of an American Soldier on TV as 'Did you see how slowly he died? It was great! That'll teach those invading murdering bastards!' how would you feel? And yes, there are people in Iraq who consider the Americans invading murdering bastards. People who have never killed anyone in their life.

I can pretty much be certain the responses would be along the lines of 'They are just as bad as he is for saying that!'.

Are you seriously comparing the average American soldier to ****ing Al-Zarqawi?! Holy ****. And here you were just a few minutes ago claiming you thought the U.S. should try to KEEP the "morale high ground." Jesus christ...

[Flipside]

Would you mind pointing out where in my post I said that?

I said there are people in Iraq who have never killed a soul who view the occupying forces in a similar light. Don't twist my words.

Anyway, I'm out of this thread, it makes me feel physically sick.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Would you mind pointing out where in my post I said that?

I said there are people in Iraq who have never killed a soul who view the occupying forces in a similar light. Don't twist my words.

It's quite clearly implied in your post. You wrote about Iraqi's saying they enjoyed the pain of a U.S. soldier because "he was an invading murdering bastard," which is basically just a watered down version of my own list of grievances against Al-Zarqawi.

I didn't need to twist any words, the comparison's right there.

EDIT: Ciao. Sorry for being somewhat short with ya, but it's not everyday someone accuses me of being a potential psychopath. Cheers.