[aldo_14]

Stop shouting swear words and post the replay, then.

[vyper]

And stop calling them cleats.

[Kazan]

cleats is the american term

and it takes a while to split video out of a 6 gig file, hold on


[edit]
bah, virtualdub won't open the file.. grr

lemme see if i can try and get screenshots

[aldo_14]

Then cleats is definately wrong, isn't it?

Goodness sake, we invented it, we do know the correct names for stuff.

No screenshots.  You can say anything with screenshots.  I've seen the replay on the highlights multiple times, so I know what it shows.

A hack.

[Kazan]

i just watched it for the umpteenth time, this time in SLOW MOTION

NOT a red cardable offense

MAYBE a yellow, maybe - cleats were down, contacted ball first, contacted boot not ankle

MAYBE a yellow - i wouldn't ***** about a yellow for pablo

not a straight red, no way in hell was that a sttraight red


as for pope - cleats were down and away from the italian player, contact was shin guard to shin guard - his back leg does sweap out at the end of the run but that wasn't intentional and the italian player was already taking the dive


virtualdub won't load the ****ing mpeg file (probably too big) and I cannot get a clean screenshot (****ing SD) - wish I had an HD stream to use instead of an SD

[Kie99]

USA v Italy - worst referee in the history of soccer

I watched the game, and, in my opinion this referee was slightly better than the one for Engalnd Vs Paraguay, who repeatedly awarded free kicks to Paraguayan players when Peter Crouch jumped up to win a header.

contrary to the bull**** claims of the british commentators who have their heads up their asses those were NOT even bookable

These people are paid to analyse football and are neutral.  You are not.

[aldo_14]

Mastroeni didn't come near touching the ball, what on earth are you watching?

EDIT; http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/live_scores/default.stm  RHS for highlights.  UK only, sadly.  2:05.

Oh, and his studs were raised.  you can see them catch the top of the boot and raised off the ground.

[Shade]

The ball was something like 2-3 metres away at the time of contact, having already been passed.

[Kazan]

you are ****ing blind - pablo's toe made contact with the ball, you even see a change in the direction of the ball, someone with an HD recorder (Who actually agrees with you guys) even pointed that out - i've already repeated the facts that the video replay shows - it was bull****

however, even IF A) the studs on his cleats were facing up (contrary to fact), B) He didn't make contact (Contrary to fact) and C) he got ankle (contrary to fact) that it a yellow card, not a straight red


WORSE call was actually the Eddie Pope call

Pope's cleats faced away and down, made solid contact with the ball, contact was shin guard to shin guard - not a yellow card, not even a foul

[aldo_14]

Red-white-and-blue tinted specs methinks.  Oh dear.

[Kazan]

**** you aldo - how often do I have a ****ing pro-US bias? seriously

Video replay contradicts you you ****ing jackass

ok i'm out of this thread - I'm getting too pissed talking to a brick wall filled with people who cannot see the broad side of a barn

[Shade]

Guess we'll have to see once a replay of the situation is up somewhere.

[Edit] Never mind, he removed it. And so will I.

[aldo_14]

**** you aldo - how often do I have a ****ing pro-US bias? seriously

Video replay contradicts you you ****ing jackass

ok i'm out of this thread - I'm getting too pissed talking to a brick wall filled with people who cannot see the broad side of a barn

Video replay proves me right, as countless others have observed - not just people here, but professionals paid to analyze football.  Those with UK ips or ways to get round the BBC can view a replay in my earlier post as indicated, which clearly shows this.

Moreso, I have no resorted to swearing like a 12-year-old or insulting people who have the audacity to point out little obvious things such as evidence from a cursory glance at a TV feed shared amongst all the World Cup broadcasters.

AHA!

highlights!

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/highlights.html

Ok, it's pretty ****ty because you don't have a load of angles and rewind, etc, but it shows what you need to see

[Black Wolf]

Told you.

you'll forgive me for not instantly seeking betting advice on the basis of that prediction,  I hope.

Probably a good Idea. I got my flatmate to put 10 Euros on Australia to beat Brazil for me at 15:1. 250 AUD when they shock the world and win though.

[Shade]

Hehe, watching that own goal again made me crack up all over again. Well, onto the fouls. Had to use IE though

[Edit] Ok, the ball was closer than I remembered, but from the second angle it's obviously still almost a metre away at the moment of contact, and contact is never made with the ball - Only with the ancle. Definite red. I can see how from the first angle it might look like contact was made with the ball, but that's due to poor perspective, the higher shot makes that abundantly clear. Whether it was from the side or behind is debatable, but given the brutality it doesn't matter one bit.

Finally got to see the 2nd american sendoff too. Definitely yellow. Not red, certainly, but he had to get yellow for that. Dangerous tackle from behind, no doubt about it.

[Edit] Bah... print screen won't capture it. Annoying.

[vyper]

Was a bit daft wasn't it?

[karajorma]

All three reds were idiotic. No idea what either side was thinking really.

[Shade]

Ahh screw it, will just use time references for the replay to illustrate since I can't seem to capture the frames in any way.

First angle.
1:19 - Pirlo passes the ball.
1:20 - Mastroeni impacts Pirlo - Right foot clearly studs first on his ancle, left foot seems to be on his boot but somewhat hard to see. Ball is a bit away from either player, but not clear how much.

Second angle.
1:23 - Pirlo passes the ball. Tip of Mastroeni's just visible as he comes charging from the left.
1:24 - Mastroeni impacts. Right foot as above, on the ancle with studs in front, but left foot clearly on the boot but with studs down. Ball very clearly not touched at any point by Mastroeni, in fact there's not any point from this angle where grass can't be seen between it and him.

Very much a red card.

[NGTM-1R]

cleats is the american term

You really don't know jack **** about soccer, do you? Hell, I only played a rec league for a few years in elementary school and I know better then that.

[Night Hammer]

Kaz, noone is buying what youre selling, we all saw it.....red justified