Author Topic: Which ships do we think are atmosphere capable? (Read 8232 times)

IPAndrews · **on:** June 22, 2006, 03:38:32 am

Like the subject says. The obvious ones that are, are the Zephyr, Thunderbolt, Valkyrie, Kestrel, Ritan, Whitestar, Bluestar, and all of the Shadow ships. I'm more interested in the less obvious ships like the Frazi, Sentri, Rutarian, Nial, Lintira, Sky Serpent, Falkosi, and the Drakh/Vorlon ships.

The Nial I'm pretty sure should be atmosphere capable on the grounds that the Whitestar/Bluestar are. The Vorlon ships I'm pretty sure should be too since the Shadow ships are. Bigger Minbari ships though like Sharlins? Sorry but I just don't see them hovering in mid-air no matter how good their gravimetric drives are. The Centauri fighters have a look that suggests atmospheric capability but i don't remember seeing any evidence of it. Sky Serpent and Falkosi?

Colonol Dekker · **Reply #1 on:** June 22, 2006, 03:56:13 am

Horus was definately seen escorting a satis in FS1.
I reckon the perseus and Pegasus could be endo-exo atmospheric, Teh herc crashed in the FS2 intro but how far through Atmos it got beforehand i maay never know

mr.WHO · **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2006, 04:04:36 am

Sorry Dekker but he ment B5 ship not FS ones.

Prophet · **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2006, 04:05:40 am

Those IP mentioned are pretty obvious. I also think Nial has athmospheric cababilities. Sharlin could tehcnicly be too, but I doubt it. Because of it's size, the structural stress under atmosphere and planetary gravitational forces would be incredible. About the Drakh we know that their cruiser enters athmosphere in ACtA when Sheridan is "dreaming" with Galen. Don't know about the Drakh fighters though. They don't look like they could survive the entry in to athmosphere... League ships I classify as just space ships. Exept the Vree, them abducting folks from Earth and all that.

Some Centauri and Narn ship look like they could fly in athmosphere, but I doubt their tecnology could handle it. They are afterall pretty much at equal level with us humies. But all EA has, are the shuttle and Tbolt. Wich are little more than flying bricks durin entry...

The Vorlons can't be athmosphere capable just because Shadows are. They do use different drive technology.
But they however are so damn advanced that they could porbably take a dip in the sun if they like

So yeah, they can handle the athmosphere.

Colonol Dekker · **Reply #4 on:** June 22, 2006, 04:10:41 am

Erk sorry guys

Hmmm, B5 ships, well theres an atmospheric centauri shuttle, That was in an episode right? i think theres a model o some sort here http://homepage.eircom.net/~bcelestia/

Fury · **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2006, 04:35:27 am

Minbari ships can fly in atmosphere, there was a CGI sequence somewhere where we see a bunch of Nials flying in Minbar atmosphere. Even though Sharlin is a big ship, technically it should be atmosphere capable. Also, in the Legend of the Rangers movie we see the big EA-Minbari hybrid cruiser taking off from ground, which suggests that Minbari engine tech is advanced enough to make even a Sharlin atm. capable. Vorchan, Primus and Sentri probably are technically atm. capable as well. Rutarian probably uses same engine tech as Sentri which would make it atm. capable. Narns don't have gravimetric drive tech until ISA so their pre-ISA designs probably are not atm. capable. Drakh and Vorlon ships definitely are atm. capable. If we take the books into account as well, then it is clear that all military Minbari and Centauri ships are atm. capable.

Now Drazi, that's the most difficult topic so far. Marcus escaping in a Sun- or Firehawk from the planet suggests that Fire-/SunHawks could be atm. capable. Drazi engine tech is quite unique looking anyway, while not gravimetric could possibly allow atm. capability. While Sun-/Firehawks probably are atm. capable, Sky Serpents may not be which is supported by the fact that Marcus' Sky Serpent was attached to a Fire-/Sunhawk and then launched after they had cleared the planet's vicinity.

Colonol Dekker · **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2006, 04:47:53 am

In one of the season finals, when Milari was in some mansion as an old man and his planet was getting fuxxored, Was it either bombs or ships coming down in the background?

Wanderer · **Reply #7 on:** June 22, 2006, 04:48:38 am

I think you ought to separate ships that are atmospheric capable (that is.. survive atmosphere and fly there with pure propulsion power) and ships that are atmospheric flight capable (the ones that have lifting surfaces, wings and such, like EA Shuttle and Thunderbolt)

IPAndrews · **Reply #8 on:** June 22, 2006, 04:56:58 am

Erm... why?

Colonol Dekker · **Reply #9 on:** June 22, 2006, 05:00:35 am

For great justice of course

The Excalibur, Is that an endo-exo atmospheric vessel?

Prophet · **Reply #10 on:** June 22, 2006, 05:13:36 am

Quote from: Fury on June 22, 2006, 04:35:27 am

Vorchan, Primus and Sentri probably are technically atm. capable as well. Rutarian probably uses same engine tech as Sentri which would make it atm. capable.

Why you think so? Or did you read it in a book?

Quote from: Fury on June 22, 2006, 04:35:27 am

Now Drazi, that's the most difficult topic so far. Marcus escaping in a Sun- or Firehawk from the planet suggests that Fire-/SunHawks could be atm. capable.

Oh yeah, I forgot that... Yes Sunhawk could be very well be atmospher capable... It should be small enought so that weight isn't a problem...

Colonol Dekker · **Reply #11 on:** June 22, 2006, 05:23:33 am

http://www.b5tech.com/index.htm
Sorry for all the posts, I my knowledge of B5 is sporadic to say the least, would this site help you out?

http://www.b5tech.com/index.htm

Wanderer · **Reply #12 on:** June 22, 2006, 05:26:16 am

Well i was thinking about these 'technically atm. capable' stuff... Or like the cruiser in LotR.. i just cant imagine it gliding gracefully through any kind of atmosphere but rather imo its just keeping itself in the air with its propulsion system. So i wouldnt expect it for example to combat in atmosphere etc. like Thunderbolts and the likes

Fury · **Reply #13 on:** June 22, 2006, 05:31:13 am

Quote from: Prophet on June 22, 2006, 05:13:36 am

Why you think so? Or did you read it in a book?

The Centauri trilogy indicates that the Centauri ships are atm. capable. Although it isn't "in your face" type "oh yeah, they're atm. capable" paragraphs.

predator82 · **Reply #14 on:** June 22, 2006, 06:47:41 am

The Narn Frazi are certainly atm-capable, as we see them rescueing Sinclairs Girlfriend Cathrin Sakai at Sigma 957...

aipz · **Reply #15 on:** June 22, 2006, 06:48:06 am

EA: T-Bolt, Shuttles, Kestrel, IPX ship, Zephyr
Centauri: all smaller crafts including freighters, capships in higher atmosphere parts - ighter ships could land on the
surface
Minbari: also
Narn: fighters/ transport and nothing more
Shadows/Drakh/Vorlon - so advanced they certainly have this capability
LONAW: Drazi, Vree, lighter Brakiri ships

IPAndrews · **Reply #16 on:** June 22, 2006, 06:54:33 am

Quote from: predator82 on June 22, 2006, 06:47:41 am

The Narn Frazi are certainly atm-capable, as we see them rescueing Sinclairs Girlfriend Cathrin Sakai at Sigma 957...

I wondered about that. It could be argued they were just skimming the atmosphere though rather than in it.

Prophet · **Reply #17 on:** June 22, 2006, 07:06:36 am

Quote from: predator82 on June 22, 2006, 06:47:41 am

The Narn Frazi are certainly atm-capable, as we see them rescueing Sinclairs Girlfriend Cathrin Sakai at Sigma 957...

Not really. Cathryns busted-ass survey shuttle lost power and got in the gravitational pull. Won't be much of a problem for a couple of fighters to pull it away from the planet. The shuttle never entered the actual athmosphere, perhaps barely the uppermost reaches of it...

@Fury: Ok so Centauri can land on a planet...
I think aipz pretty much has a correct list there. Exept these Narns are debateable IMO.

And a thing to consider: For example some models of the Finnish army Pasi APC can swim, and all can go in about 2 meters deep water. But they really never go. Because it takes so much preparation, and there always is the danger that the APC floats like a rock (rocks don't float, get it?). Similarily, I imagine that starships don't like to enter the athmosphere of a planet unless there really, really is a good reason for it. So IMO when talking about athmosphere cabable ships, we should think the word "barely" all the time...

Turnsky · **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2006, 07:24:04 am

Quote from: Fury on June 22, 2006, 04:35:27 am

Minbari ships can fly in atmosphere, there was a CGI sequence somewhere where we see a bunch of Nials flying in Minbar atmosphere. Even though Sharlin is a big ship, technically it should be atmosphere capable. Also, in the Legend of the Rangers movie we see the big EA-Minbari hybrid cruiser taking off from ground, which suggests that Minbari engine tech is advanced enough to make even a Sharlin atm. capable. Vorchan, Primus and Sentri probably are technically atm. capable as well. Rutarian probably uses same engine tech as Sentri which would make it atm. capable. Narns don't have gravimetric drive tech until ISA so their pre-ISA designs probably are not atm. capable. Drakh and Vorlon ships definitely are atm. capable. If we take the books into account as well, then it is clear that all military Minbari and Centauri ships are atm. capable.

Now Drazi, that's the most difficult topic so far. Marcus escaping in a Sun- or Firehawk from the planet suggests that Fire-/SunHawks could be atm. capable. Drazi engine tech is quite unique looking anyway, while not gravimetric could possibly allow atm. capability. While Sun-/Firehawks probably are atm. capable, Sky Serpents may not be which is supported by the fact that Marcus' Sky Serpent was attached to a Fire-/Sunhawk and then launched after they had cleared the planet's vicinity.

well, minbar ships use gravity manipulation rather than ionised thrust (or whatever they use) unlike a good chunk of the EA fleet, so it does make sense that minbar ships can fly in an atmosphere, they can hold their own wieght when in a gravity pull of a planet.

IPAndrews · **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2006, 07:28:31 am

Presumably though it takes more energy to oppose a strong gravitic pull as opposed to a small one. Which would means a Sharin would find it more difficult to fly in an atmosphere than a Nial because it is bigger and thus the gravitic pull on the ship is greater. Bearing in mind here that 1) I failed physics at school. 2) I don't know how gravitic drives work. Actually come to think of it the likelyhood of me being right here is pretty low

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