[Honest989]

I don't really want to start a flame war - rather I just want to find out more about FS2

First off, it was made under interplay so I presume that interplay still holds the rights to the series.

Second, were interplay ever going to consider an online environment for FS? I know that they sold the rights for Fallout to bethesda but retained them for an online option.. I'm just curious. (EVE is probably the closes anyone will come to a FS online game)

and here's a story related question...

The FS series view the shivans as a kind of immune system, preventing one race becoming the dominant one. When they reach their zenith, they are attacked and destroyed. So one civilization falls, and the next can build in its ruins.

If the races learned from each other, a la FS1 and how to defeat the lucifer, would there be a race that would eventually defeat the shivans?

:/ hmm all this and more from the never to exist FS3 I guess. Just mooting my point.

[karajorma]

Interplay are currently too busy trying to prevent the repo men from getting in to worry about making an online version of FS

[AlphaOne]

You said it kara.

It's sad but at least we have the moding comunity who have done an amazing if not herculean task of uprading the engine of the game and have produced many very very good campaigns. some of them might be considered even better then the original Fs1 and 2 campaigns.

Also I see the point about a race eventualy becoming powerfull enough so that they can actualy defeat the shivans. but think about this way the Ancients empire streched across galaxies yet they were beaten and exterminated by the shivans. The GTVA streched over 2 dozen or so sistems and yet managed to survive the shivan invasion. Not only did they survive but they apdapted and evolved to a level uprecedented in the GTA or PVN before. Sure the GTVA got its fleets smashed to pieces at the hands of the shivans but then again they managed to survive which is a lot more then other races have done across the eons.

So in a way the 2 shivan incursions and they subsequent containment can be considered tremendous victoryes from this POW.

Eventualy the GTVA will become strong enough so that they can hold theyr own against the shivans in a more decent manner but until then thy dont really have the means to severely damage the shivans.

Also the fact that they lost the war with the shivans in FS2 is more atributed to faulty tactics at the hand of the GTVA high command then technological inferiority. At least from mi POW.

[Honest989]

Yeah.. we never got to find out why they let bosch escape for one...

Ah well.. We will see what happens. I do hold out hope for an FS3, there is certainly demand for one. I just hope that if it gets done, it gets done correctly.

[Mars]

I'm probably going to make everyone in these forums hate me for saying this, but in a way, I'm glad that FS3 never came out.

I really like the fanon that has developed over the years, the Derelict, Casualties of War, (and eventually BWO) type fanon is nice because it adds on to the original story very well. Sync and Transcend both literally scared me. Homesick, I dare say it, made me want to cry. The original Freespace campaigns never stirred up those kinds of feeling in me. If the FS story didn't have so many loose ends, people wouldn't feel obligated to tie them up.

[Honest989]

Just found a comment from Derek Smart:

"If you twits had actually done anything, nobody would be clamouring for an FS3 by now.
Unless I - Derek Smart - develop an FS3 title, there will never - ever - be another FS title. Deal with it."


First off, who is Derek Smart?

Second, Why does he come off sounding like a number 1 a.hole

Third, from just this comment should I be scared he's eyeing up the rights to FS3?

[karajorma]

A while back an announcement by Derek Smart (creator of the BattleCruiser 3000 series) that he was attempting to purchase the licence caused widespread consternation amongst the community. The quality of his other games, the attitude with which he treated the community when suggesting this and the fact that he showed no intention of asking [V] what they had planned for the storyline of FS3 left the community up in arms. Fortunately the situation appears to have normalised since then with Derek Smart deciding to leave FreeSpace alone and make up his own universe instead.

[Mars]

*slaps Hornet*

Don't you ever say that name again

This is Derek Smart


He comes off sounding like an ass hole cause he is an ass hole

He was eyeing the rights, but judging from his previous endeavors, I'd say we don't want his hands on the FS rights.

Look him up in the Hard Light Wiki


Also see this thread.

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Kara beat me

[AlphaOne]

He has a very stupid looking face if you ask me. but that is just mi personal opinion. Also he saund like a complete ass hole!

Umm the comunity should get the rights to Fs put all the good mindes here to work on one single major endeavour. Posibly even ask V what they had in plan for FS!

[Mars]

He has a very stupid looking face if you ask me, but that is just my personal opinion. Also he sounds like a complete ass hole!

He's trying to look pimp.

Umm... the community should get the rights to Fs put all the good minds here to work on one single major endeavor.

No, then think about what we'll be missing: the strength of the FS community is it's diversity of thoughts. The FS universe is now many universes, that's why I like it so much.

Possibly even ask V what they had in plan for FS!

It's been done, but speaks in riddles and in mystery.

[pecenipicek]

Possibly even ask V what they had in plan for FS!

It's been done, but speaks in riddles and in mystery.

got proof?



j/k.
are there any.. written statements from volition about that? i'd just like to read those riddles and mistery.

[Mars]

No, it's just somthing I picked up from when I was a lurker, somthing Kara or WMC or somone like that (you know a 10,000+ poster) said.

[pecenipicek]

ummmm, back in the old times when i joined, both kara and WMC were at around 1k posts, and kara wasnt on the SCP team... then came the... ahem, unfortunate event *cough* and here i'm back

[Honest989]

lol. then im relieved. number one a. hole who would have fudged it up in my estimation has gone. Yay!

[karajorma]

Umm the comunity should get the rights to Fs put all the good mindes here to work on one single major endeavour. Posibly even ask V what they had in plan for FS!

Ummm. Unless we do ask absolutely not.

How about we get the community together and write our own FS3?
After questions about FS3's release date this is one of the sorest points in the community. Posting a topic like this on one of the FreeSpace boards is actually more likely to get you insulted that simply asking when FS3 is coming out. While that question is merely naive this one carries a rather subtle insult. After all if the solution is so simple wouldn't the community have to be idiots not to have thought of it before? The fact is that the idea has been brought up several times before. It came up again shortly after the FS2 source code was released because for the first time not only could we make a new story for FS3 but also improve the engine to do it. The idea was rejected then for several reasons and continues to be rejected every time it comes up for many of the same ones.

    * What would the plotline be? - The various members of the community have their own viewpoints of where the FS3 plotline would go. Furthermore we've had several years to become convinced that our particular plotline is the best one. It would be very hard to persuade the community to rally around a single official storyline for FS3. In fact the only thing that the community would rally round would be an official plotline from [V] but they continue to play their cards very close to their chests. Without this the community tend to go by the motto that "If it isn't [V], it ain't FS3".
    * Who would play it? - The entire community would know large portions of the plot line so who would the campaign be for?
    * Who has the time? - Most of the community are working on their own campaigns already. To do this would mean that they would have to give them up for the duration of the project.

Since a fan made FS3 would be no more official than Inferno or Derelict or any of the other campaigns already released or currently in production most people don't feel there's much point. Many of these mods are our own visions of FS3. There is no need for a semi-official one.

[Charismatic]

DerekSmart was black? LAMO ROFL FFS!
Im releived. !!

[AlphaOne]

Umm good point everyone. didnt want to upse anyone. Also lets take a stand and march in front of interplay offices demanding that they release a FS3 or at least the story behind what would of been FS3!

[scratch]

...

Also the fact that they lost the war with the shivans in FS2 is more atributed to faulty tactics at the hand of the GTVA high command then technological inferiority. At least from mi POW.

The first time i've played the FS2 campaign was a few days ago, so i'm not very familiar with what happens there, it's more like a blur. But, in my opinion neither the Terrans (and Vasudans) nor the Shivans lost this war. It's true that High Command underestimated the Shivans, but noone could've foreseen a Shivan fleet so strong. The Alliance was able to stall the Shivan invasion, if they wouldn't have accomplished that, the 80+ Juggernauts would have crushed the Alliance (if this was their intention anyway). Now, the Terran-Vasudan Juggernaut, the Colossus, was built in about 20 years. I think this shows the superiority of the Shivans quite well. Also, there is little known about the Shivans. Who knows what they can come up with when a race reaches their level. Ah well, i guess i like to think about what could happen in an FS3.

[Mars]

Command isn't incompitant, they're hiding somthing.

[AlphaOne]

Care to make a bet on the whole incompetent arguement about High Command??

But you are right Mars they are hiding something.

Well the juggs were only good as long as they had theyr beams intact take out theyr beams and you cand sens in the warships to finish off the Sathani. Altough i'l give you that taking out the beams of over 80 Sathani jugs is a most ipresive task to achieve but still its better then letting then rape the GTVA.

also the fact that they completely ignored the GTVA and went towards Capella tends to sugest that crushing the GTVA was never they true intent...this time.....!