[Unknown Target]

The US Supreme Court just ruled that the Bush administration over stepped its boundaries with its treatment of the prisoners in Guantanimo Bay.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/29/scotus.tribunals/index.html

[AlphaOne]

Oki sure and what are they gooing to do about it?? Also a bit late isnt it?

[Kosh]

Took them long enough.

[Mefustae]

You do realise that this ruling in no way concerns the actual treatment [torture, etc.] of prisoners, but only the means of prosecution, which US officials don't seem in any hurry to do, and is just another case of 'too little, too damn late'.

[aldo_14]

You do realise that this ruling in no way concerns the actual treatment [torture, etc.] of prisoners, but only the means of prosecution, which US officials don't seem in any hurry to do, and is just another case of 'too little, too damn late'.

It's a ruling, however, that states the US has violated the Geneva Convention (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5129904.stm), which I think is important.

[Mefustae]

...which I think is important.

Too bad the US doesn't.

[NGTM-1R]

Alas, Bush shall pull an Andrew Jackson. You know he will.

[Kosh]

I just heard on the WorldService that Bush is planning to hold military tribunals for "some" of the detainees, even though the Supreme Court said no. Maybe the **** is finally going to hit the fan......

[IceFire]

We're always a few ticks away from the **** hitting the fan...one wonders how long till something goes completely wrong.

[Kosh]

We're always a few ticks away from the **** hitting the fan...one wonders how long till something goes completely wrong.

Maybe they should do it sooner just to get it over and done with.

[Deepblue]

I just heard on the WorldService that Bush is planning to hold military tribunals for "some" of the detainees, even though the Supreme Court said no. Maybe the **** is finally going to hit the fan......

After going through FISA. Special cases exist.

[Stealth]

lol

[vyper]

You know, a politician ignoring the rulings of your highest court is generally considered a criminal act.

[Mefustae]

What? You've never heard of a politician commiting a criminal act before?

[Mars]

You know, a politician ignoring the rulings of your highest court is generally considered a criminal act.

So is mass murder, and operating a country when under the influence, what of it?

[aldo_14]

Apparently a Republican congressman immediately responded by offering to propose a law suspending habeas corpus and giving the President authority to have these kangaroo courts.

[AlphaOne]

So basicly the administratuion is ignoring its own justice sistem is that it?

It wouldnt be the first time or the first place somethiong like this happenes. You only need to take a closer look at countries all over the world to see that there are instances where the administration ignored the justice sistem. But still that is by no means right.

Oh well welcome to the modern times everyone. Also here is a dumb question isnt there suposed to be some sort of mean on the part of the justice sitem to punish or ven hold responsible the president congresmen or senators for braking the law.

I know we have one here. It doesnt really work because you need 50%+ of the total senators to agree to lift the political imunity a given senator or whatever has in order for the justice sistem to be able to hold him resposible but still.......the means should be there no?

[DeepSpace9er]

If anything is happening for the first time its the Judicial Branch telling the president how he should conduct the war. Every wartime president before Bush has been able to have military tribunals. So basically this filth and bilge of the earth have the same process in criminal courts with the 15 year appeal process. How the hell do you conduct a war like that and with a system like that the likelyhood of them getting blown away on the battlefield instead of captured and interrogated for the purposes of antiterrorism im sure will increase.

Guantanamo isnt a torture camp. Puting undies on heads, turning off AC, dogleashes, and putting them with scantily clad women isnt torture. What they did to the captured US soldiers is.. that is, they cut off their genitals stuffed them in their mouths, broke their arms and bent their limbs back, then cut open their bodies and gutted them alive before they beheaded them. Stark contrast?

[Ghostavo]

Really?

The definition of torture must have changed while I was gone.

Torture is any act by which severe pain, whether physical or psychological is given.

Note that humiliation is a form of psychological damage. Let's see some forms of humiliation

# forced nudity
# forced watching of nudity and/or sex
# being kept on a dog leash
# being hooded (reason may be the humiliation, but also preventing the victim from seeing and identifying the other person and the location)

What was that you were saying it's not torture?

[Kosh]

How the hell do you conduct a war like that and with a system like that the likelyhood of them getting blown away on the battlefield instead of captured and interrogated for the purposes of antiterrorism im sure will increase.

This isn't a real war, at least not in the way you are thinking of. You cannot compare this with things like World War 2 or even Vietnam because they are nothing like this one.