[aldo_14]

Guantanamo isnt a torture camp. Puting undies on heads, turning off AC, dogleashes, and putting them with scantily clad women isnt torture. What they did to the captured US soldiers is.. that is, they cut off their genitals stuffed them in their mouths, broke their arms and bent their limbs back, then cut open their bodies and gutted them alive before they beheaded them. Stark contrast?

Firstly, one crime does not justify another.

Secondly, it is (Gitmo / Ab Ghraib) most definately torture.  not only interms of the convention definitions, but also in terms of the aims; it's based on psychological methods that a) reduce visibility and b) aim to destroy the subjects ability to think and conceal (i.e. say any the interrogators don't want to hear).

Thirdly, you've grossly mischaracterised what goes on in Gitmo in an attempt to make your point by hiding the reality of it.  Firstly, these are all psychological methods of torture deeply disturbing to muslims (not forgetting it'd be soiled underwear on their heads), aside from 'generic' tortures like sleep deprivation and extreme physical hardship (i.e. being forced to stand upright in a freezing/boiling hot room for hours on end until you soil yourself).  Secondly, it's excluding methods like waterboarding (which amounts to a mock execution). 

Finally, none of these people have been convicted of any crime; the only method you have to justify it is 'ooh, but x and y are doing worse', which is frankly pathetic and would never stand up as an excuse in any court of law.

That is, of course, excluding what may go on in 'black' sites.

[karajorma]

Furthermore lets point out that some of the people originally in Gitmo were later released after 2-3 years upon being found guilty of no crime.

How you claim that it was right to torture them just because they looked like a terrorist? That's just out and out racism.

[Mefustae]

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It's worth mentioning that - as Aldo just said - all inmates are yet to be charged, and all by 10 are [or at least were] anywhere near getting a trial, so it's a bit much to start making blanket statements like "filth and bilge of the earth" when in all likelihood, a notable portion of them were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and are no more guilty than you or I. The guilt of inmates has been distorted so far out of proportion by political posturing, that it's not worth commenting on it, quite simply because there is the mere possibility of there being complete innocents in there. So before you start spouting **** about these inmates being lower forms of humanity, and somehow deserving of torture because a third party engage in worse torture, think about those individuals in there that haven't done anything, and the large portion that have done things that most countries wouldn't even think of convicting for; case in point, David Hicks [the Aussie terrorist, apparently] is in there for crimes that Australian police wouldn't even ****ing arrest him for!

And before you start telling us what does and does not qualify as torture, as you're obviously an expert, let's get a personal demostration so you can show us on Google Movies how getting soiled undies wrapped around your head is totally innocuous.