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Oi veh.  Please tell me you aren't serious.
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Offline Mars

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There's also global warming on Mars, Jupiter, and Pluto.  Which leads me to believe that a) global warming is happening, and b) it's not our fault.  The only thing those three planets, plus Earth, have in common is the sun. :)

The surface of Venus is hotter than the surface of Mercury for the same reason, howeverm there's no (known) life on Mars, Jupiter, Pluto, Venus, or any other planet, producing CO2 in large quanities, on Earth however, we're dumping thousands of tons of CO2 into the air every year, we're not causing global warming, we're exacerbating it.

 

Offline aldo_14

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I'm pretty sure we've already mentioned the difference between 'man-made' warming and cyclical, and the whole tipping-point theory.

 

Offline karajorma

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What gets me about people who claim that global warming isn't manmade is this.

Why on Earth would anyone invent the claim that it was? To do so would take a conspiracy of enormous proportions. You'd need to convince over half the climatologists in the world to go along with you. You'd then need to convince all the other people involved in peripheral disciplines to go along with you.

Why do this? I just don't see it. I can't see the gain you could get from it. The only thing I've heard that makes any sense is that they are doing it to get money for research. But that's a charge that is just as applicable to the naysayers so again I'm stumped. 
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It's easier for the naysayers, too, because they don't have to do anything for their money.

 

Offline IceFire

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Like I said, pretty much no one is denying global warming. However, the question is whether humanity is responsible or not. Climatologists say not really, environmental scientists say completely.
I think those two groups are more arguing over who takes center stage. The end result is still that humans need to cut it out and stop contributing to the process.  Even if it isn't global warming...all these things are bad for our species and the other species we rely on to survive. We're not very good at being humble and lots of people sluff off extinctions but eventually those missing plants and animals are really going to harm us.  Nature takes care of itself really well but we're cramping its style.

There's hope. We've got new ways to build things, cars that are completely recyclable, hopefully cars in the near future that have even cleaner exhausts with zero pollution (we're doing well with many new cars being very low pollution), houses, electronics, and consumable items that don't pile up in dumps but are recycled to be used again and again. We're making progress so its not all doom and gloom.

But the world is changing.  The Pentagon estimates that the environment will be the biggest national security threat within 15 to 30 years overshadowing terrorism in a big way.   More extreme weather is going to reduce crop yields.  I'll really worry when North America stops making a surplus in food.  Thats when things are going to get stretched.  More effort needs to be made by the people up to...they do it too slowly...but at least we're generally moving forward rather than back.
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But the world is changing.  The Pentagon estimates that the environment will be the biggest national security threat within 15 to 30 years overshadowing terrorism in a big way. 

You'd think the American government would take it more seriously then. It's not like you can lock the Jet Stream up in Gitmo is it? :)

You're right though. The pentagon's assessment of the impact of global warming on politics was pretty scary reading actually.
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The idea that there is consensus among weather experts is a lie and nonsense.

actually the idea that there ISN'T consensus among all the respectable experts on the planet that human beings are contributing to global warming is outright incorrect.
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But the world is changing.  The Pentagon estimates that the environment will be the biggest national security threat within 15 to 30 years overshadowing terrorism in a big way. 

You'd think the American government would take it more seriously then. It's not like you can lock the Jet Stream up in Gitmo is it? :)

Only because it doesn't own a copy of the Koran.

 

Offline Deepblue

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The idea that there is consensus among weather experts is a lie and nonsense.

actually the idea that there ISN'T consensus among all the respectable experts on the planet that human beings are contributing to global warming is outright incorrect.

:rolleyes:

It's not a matter of yes or no, it's a matter of how much.

 

Offline Bobboau

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yeah, if all we're doing is pissing in the ocean then I think the best thing to do would be to try and put our resources to figureing out how to cope with the changes that we have no ability to effect.
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It is good that this particualr subject is getting more interest again.
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Offline IceFire

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The idea that there is consensus among weather experts is a lie and nonsense.

actually the idea that there ISN'T consensus among all the respectable experts on the planet that human beings are contributing to global warming is outright incorrect.

:rolleyes:

It's not a matter of yes or no, it's a matter of how much.
Doesn't matter. Its changing....so we are going to have to:

A) At the very least not helping the situation
B) Going to be facing the effects of the situation regardless of if we acknowledge our fault in the problem or not
C) Going to have to realize that dumping toxic chemicals into the environment isn't a good thing regardless of its overall effect on the global warming effect
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